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Re: [PLUG] RMS and GNU/sink (was: systrace is cool)
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Put it this way: I would actually PREFER to use BSD "ls", etc., if for
on other reason than to stop his whining. Switching to BSD is a bit of
work for me right now, but I would like it if someone came up with the
BSD tools debian package.
The other thing is this: I also run openoffice. I use gnome (what RMS
wrote all of that too??), but I have KDE installed. I also have
mozilla, etc. Oh wait, and selinux, and Kylix, and SAPDB, and apache.
By RMS's logic, it should be:
GNU/Sun/Netscape/TrollTech/SecureComputing/Borland/SAP/Apache/Linux
and, Apple's OS shouldn't be called "Apple Mac OS", it should be "Apple
BSD/Mac OS". Maybe OpenOffice isn't important enough to have it be
sun/Linux.. since it isn't system software, etc. But apache? QT? you
get the point.
-- noah silva
On Fri, 2002-06-14 at 16:59, gabriel rosenkoetter wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 14, 2002 at 04:39:59PM -0400, Noah silva wrote:
> > I think RMS's argument is entirely invalid.
> >
> > "tar' isn't all of userland. and GNU tar wasn't very usefull intil it had
> > a real kernal to run on. What's more, I could easily write TAR, CP, LS,
> > etc. I wouldn't try to write anything liek the linux kernal. We don't
> > have to use GNU ls, we could use BSD ls, or any other. What's more
> > userland's upper levals are what is making linux more popular, and those
> > are things like KDE and apache, mozilla, etc.
>
> It doesn't matter whether you *could*, you haven't. You're using
> software released under the auspices of the GNU Project. And some
> of that software is significantly non-trivial, like find(1), grep(1)
> (another one where NetBSD uses the GNU version, the AT&T source
> being POSIX.2 non-compliant and really crufty to boot), and emacs
> (say what you will, it's complicated), to pick just a few.
>
> Just as soon as you *are* using an at least mostly non-GNU userland,
> *then* RMS's argument would be entirely invalid. Till then, it holds
> a bit of water. Not that it doesn't come off as whiny, mind you.
>
> --
> gabriel rosenkoetter
> gr@eclipsed.net
>
> PS, I'm far from being a Stallman apologist. I think he's a jerk
> with some really whacked out ideas, both about software licensing
> and a variety of other things, but that's just my opinion and has
> nothing to do with the facts of the whose-userland-Linux-distros-use
> situation.
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