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Re: [PLUG] Philly Linux Chix
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Everybody, enough already. I log in to my e-mail, and go to my PhillyLUG folder as I have done every day for the past God knows how long looking forward to the nuggets of wisdom on config files and apache and kde and what-not, and I find 2 emails on techie-related topics and 26 on women are forming their own user group and are we pro or con?????
So their forming their own user group. Who cares? If it becomes successful, then they are either meeting a need that hasn't been met anywhere else, or filling a niche that had a void in it. If it doesn't, then it doesn't and life goes on. I wouldn't worry about the whole "community unfication". If it were truly unified, there would only be one distribution.
I always thought the strength of it was it's unification around the kernel, but it's wacky fragmentation as far as desktops, shell preferences, server software, distributions, etc.
Craig
http://caffeinedout.com/ui
gabriel rosenkoetter <gr@eclipsed.net> wrote:
I'm done beating this horse after this message.
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 06:30:57AM -0400, Chris Hedemark wrote:
> I mean, how well would it go over with the community if the guys
> started "Linux Dudez" (there is a more obvious play on Linux Chix that
> I'll leave to the imagination).
>
> Creating a group based on such a criteria only serves to divide the
> community, not to unify.
That's a bad example. There's a pre-existing leaning towards men in
the computer industry in general and in Linux usage particularly.
This is like suggesting that a "Personal Office Assistant Men" group
would be devisive in the same way that a similar group for women
would be; there's an existing glut of male-centric views in IT. It's
no more stereotypical than the assumption that secretaries are
women.
> Separate but equal, then?
That's not what I said, nor what I meant. Separate with a very good
reason: some interests are shared, some aren't. Some ways of
approaching computers are similar, some aren't. The human genders
are inherently different, both physically and mentally (of note here
is that human skin color does NOT inherently dictate a mental
difference, though human nationality might), while still sharing
quite a lot of similarity. It's perfectly sensible to read both
sides of that coin, and silly to force to always land with one side
up.
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 06:37:01AM -0400, Chris Hedemark wrote:
> Does this seem inclusive to you?
No. But it doesn't have to be. It's *additional*, and it's there to
support a segment of the population not supported by the typical
structure. That doesn't mean that that segment has any interest in
or is likely to break away from the rest of PLUG.
> Do any of the guys feel welcome?
Do women feel welcome at PLUG meetings? Granted, we're not exactly a
a vulgar crowd, but there's a certain pre-disposition towards beer
drinking, and an undeniably male presence at meetings.
Or, do Windows users feel welcome at PLUG meetings? How 'bout Mac
users? Before I was around, what about BSD?
(Those are questions meant to be rhetorical.)
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gabriel rosenkoetter
gr@eclipsed.net
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