| gabriel rosenkoetter on Tue, 13 May 2003 07:33:45 -0400 |
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I'm done beating this horse after this message. On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 06:30:57AM -0400, Chris Hedemark wrote: > I mean, how well would it go over with the community if the guys > started "Linux Dudez" (there is a more obvious play on Linux Chix that > I'll leave to the imagination). > > Creating a group based on such a criteria only serves to divide the > community, not to unify. That's a bad example. There's a pre-existing leaning towards men in the computer industry in general and in Linux usage particularly. This is like suggesting that a "Personal Office Assistant Men" group would be devisive in the same way that a similar group for women would be; there's an existing glut of male-centric views in IT. It's no more stereotypical than the assumption that secretaries are women. > Separate but equal, then? That's not what I said, nor what I meant. Separate with a very good reason: some interests are shared, some aren't. Some ways of approaching computers are similar, some aren't. The human genders are inherently different, both physically and mentally (of note here is that human skin color does NOT inherently dictate a mental difference, though human nationality might), while still sharing quite a lot of similarity. It's perfectly sensible to read both sides of that coin, and silly to force to always land with one side up. On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 06:37:01AM -0400, Chris Hedemark wrote: > Does this seem inclusive to you? No. But it doesn't have to be. It's *additional*, and it's there to support a segment of the population not supported by the typical structure. That doesn't mean that that segment has any interest in or is likely to break away from the rest of PLUG. > Do any of the guys feel welcome? Do women feel welcome at PLUG meetings? Granted, we're not exactly a a vulgar crowd, but there's a certain pre-disposition towards beer drinking, and an undeniably male presence at meetings. Or, do Windows users feel welcome at PLUG meetings? How 'bout Mac users? Before I was around, what about BSD? (Those are questions meant to be rhetorical.) -- gabriel rosenkoetter gr@eclipsed.net Attachment:
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