Re: [PLUG] Job Titles? (Was: web developer job opening)

["William H. Magill" <magill@mcgillsociety.org>]

On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 12:04  PM, Chris Mann wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 11:30, Magnus wrote:
> > Hiring managers and especially HR people and recruiters often lump all
> > us computer guys together, and randomly choose titles that other
> > computer related workers have had.  I've seen a lot of "system
> > administrator" and "network administrator" confusion, when really they
> > are two distinct disciplines that have a little bit of overlap.  Or
> > "system programmer" and "programmer/analyst" being used to describe a
> > system administrator.  If you search strictly based on your actual job
> > title you're going to be really disappointed.  In job searching today
> > you need to search for all jobs that are even slightly related to your
> > own in order to get all the hits.  It can surely be frustrating.
>
> We were kicking around the job title snafu a few weeks ago here at the
> office. I think everyone agrees that for the most part, unless your in
> the IT industry, the difference between a sysadmin and a netadmin
> appears to be semantics. However to those of us in the industry, the
> difference is pretty glaring.
>
> What we thought would be interesting is to see the formation of a IT
> Guild of sorts, with ratings of Apprentice to Master in the fields and
> sub fields of the industry. That would give a pretty easy and clear cut
> job title and ability of the person.
>
> Then again, we thought that since that idea kind of makes sense it
> probably won't happen for umteen million reason.

It happened about 20 years ago... (1992)

SAGE, The System Administrators Guild, is a "Special Technical Group" 
of Usenix
    www.sage.org

It has been defining System Administration, sponsoring LISA now for 
many years, and has recently begun a system of certification schemes.

While many major corporations have adopted the SAGE job titles and 
definitions, those are few and far between.

See the "jobs and work" section for the job descriptions.

However, the problem comes with the inclusion of Microsoft in the 
Enterprise.  SAGE has always been an "Enterprise Computing" 
organization -- Sites that had mainframes running Unix. (Hundreds of 
thousands of dollars worth of Unix gear - Sun, Dec, SGI, Thinking 
Machines, etc.) Note that a "small site" is one with 50 computers.

If you are in the Windows world, you get stuck with whatever MSE 
designations they invent.

Apple is not there (the enterprise) yet, and Linux is more or less 
following Usenix/SAGE on the issue.

T.T.F.N.
William H. Magill
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