Craig Brennan on Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:08:05 -0400

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Re: [PLUG] Tech jobs and politics, and IT diploma mills

The technical school where i work gives us really good equipment actually.  What the problem is is that the "admissions" dept. (sales guys, really as it is for-profit education) fill the kids full o' BS, for ex: "Did you know that the median salary for an MCSE is 8 gajillion dollars a year? Whoa!" What they leave out is the "with 10 years experience" part.  Then the kids graduate and wonder why they're crawling under people's desks setting up hardware for their first IT jobs.  Most MIS managers know that the average cert only guarantees that the person knows how to pass a test.  They must prove everything else.

Bob Schwier <> wrote:
I do maintain a 286 just for s and g. It is doable. I take it out every
so often and test it and update it. You can find software on the net that
would give you some ability to use the net with it. Theoritically, it is
useful if there is no other realistic alternative. In teaching, you get
used to scrounging for something that works because your employer is not
going to set you up with top flight equipment. This true in many public
school systems, especially Philadelphia, and many of these IT diploma

On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, William H. Magill wrote:

> On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 10:58 AM, Magnus wrote:
> > On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 10:51 AM, Stephen Gran wrote:
> >> The kids you're teaching (who I'm quite sure are idiots for the
> >> most part, just like every college everywhere) are expecting 'life to
> >> be
> >> fair' or some variation, but when businesses don't have to be fair,
> >> they
> >> won't.
> >
> > FWIW, there are some real idiot teachers out there as well, and idiot
> > administrations. My kid brother goes to Pennsylvania Institute of
> > Technology which apparently is a pit (PIT?) that young people sink a
> > couple of years into and come out the other side learning obsolete
> > skills or learning relevant subjects *incorrectly*. The stuff he
> > brings home from school is really depressing. I sat in on one of his
> > classes once and had to wonder where they get these instructors from.
> > They are the sorts of people who make things up if they don't know the
> > answer.
> Easy... These are the same people who believe that taking an old 16
> meg 286 out of the trash, "making it work again," and then giving it to
> people who don't have a computer is really a good thing -- because its
> better than nothing!
> There is an incredibly large percentage of the population who believe
> that computers are like autombiles -- if the engine still runs, there
> is no difference between a Model T and a Crown Victoria ... they both
> get you where you want to go. The fact that one has a manual hand
> cranked starter and the other an electric one, or that one has
> air-conditioning and the other not even a heater doesn't matter.
> T.T.F.N.
> William H. Magill
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