John Von Essen on 4 Nov 2005 03:24:49 -0000

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Re: [PLUG] DSL speed and [NT] and FIOS

Yes, Covad is a registered CLEC is many US States - I am not exactly certain about all. I know they are in PA, TX, and CA.

On the topic of FIOS/DSL... Does anybody have Fios in KoP area? If so, where?

My area is not covered, with no ETA. Also, there is a CO listed at 400 Dekalb, but my CO is a mile and half away (from I'm actually a stones through from the 400 Dekalb CO - not sure why I'm not wired into it.


On Nov 3, 2005, at 9:47 PM, William H. Magill wrote:

On 03 Nov, 2005, at 10:03, Doug Crompton intoned:
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Eric Hidle wrote:
Just as an FYI to customers (I've talked with them about FIOS
recently), they don't have any definite plans to carry FIOS, and it has
something to do with Verizon not deciding whether they'd let DCA handle
all the Layer-3 stuff that they do (static IP, routed blocks, etc..). If
you're a customer, and you want them to carry FIOS, my
suggestion would be to at least let them know so they have a bit more
motivation. The prospect of 30/5 with my routed block just tickles me,
but it will take some work on the part of the customers to make it

I have been 'pinging' about it but like you say it is a Verizon
decision. I am quite content with my 3M DSL. FIOS would be nice
but it really is just one of those 'gotta have the latest' mentalities
rather then practicality. What in the world are you doing that would
require 30M or paying for both DSL and cable.

There was a recent decision by either the FCC or the Courts which basically
said that the RBOCS no longer had to provide "equal access" for their data

While not a death knell for independent ISPs, needless to say, the decision
was not greeted with widespread joy.

The folks at DCAnet have sought several different things from Verizon recently,
and have basically been told -- "pay Verizon retail prices for the service,
then charge your customers more than they would have to pay if they get the
same service directly from us."

As far as I know, CLECs do not have the same issue, as they buy the LINES
from Verizon as voice lines. Of course, I don't believe that they are
compelled to offer DSL or other data services to independent ISPs under
any kind of discount arrangement either. I have no idea how entities
like COVAD are effected as they are nominally buying "dry-pairs,"
which, at first glance, would appear to be still required to be offered
as discounted entities. (Anybody know if COVAD is registered as a CLEC?)

William H. Magill
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