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Re: [PLUG] IT: VMware ESXi Available For Free Starting Today
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Ron,
I work in a near 100% Windows shop, but the folks are open to other
systems, especially now that
many appliances they use are running Linux internally.
We started out 2 yr ago with Windows boxes running free VMware server
and mostly
Windows 2003 VM's with a few Linux VM"s I've worked into the mix. The
group seems
much more accepting of Linux when it's just a VM and not running on bare
hardware.
So I think the use of VMware has been a huge benifit to my ablity to
bring more Linux
VM's into the shop, and Bacula, of course, for cross platform client
backups to disk.
As a natural progression after experiencing management/backup
difficulties with 20+ VM's I
proposed VI/3 ( Virtual Center, 2ESX servers and a NetApp SAN ) It's
amazing
how well this stuff works, and the data duplication features are
shriking my disk
volumes by 60% to 70% . We are just rolling out the first production
boxes on VI/3
and the performance seems like 10X what we were getting on the free
product, but
that's really not a fair comparison because the new servers are not
loaded up yet.
I don't think Xen was quite a far enough along for a Windows shop when
we need a
solution. If we had been a Linux shop, there may have been a stronger
interest in
Xen or other solutions. In any case - I get paid for getting solution
to work, not in
evanglizing about open source - and the VMware / NetApp solution just
plain works.
The VC management console on Windows is a pain, but I can always
rdesktop into
a Windows box.
Now with ESXi being free VMware is really selling their management
apps, and ability to move VM's while running. So when you need to
patch the ESX host
you just migrate all the VM's (while running ) to other ESX hosts,
switch to management
mode, patch, and bring the host back up with users never aware of the
maintenance.
The ability of being able to snapshot or copy a server to a template and
redeploy to another server in 15 min is just impossible to imagine being
without.
And, yes I am bringing in or evaluating more open source / Linux
solutions every month
by getting this rolled out.
I don't know if your question was to Virtualize or not, or between Xen
and Vmware, but
clearly Virtualization is a win for my client, and the decision between
Xen and VMware
has more to do with your main OS, and management features / ease of use
that you need.
PS: We did use a VAR to get the right HW mix and setup the SAN for us.
There is
a bunch of non trivial VLAN and Ethernet trunking, softswitch setup etc
that
would be quite an effort to sort out otherwise. You definitely need a
VAR if your
doing this for your 1st time.
Contact me off list if you need more specific info.
Lee Marzke lee@marzke.net
IT Infrastructure Consultant
Certified Perforce SCM Consultant
Ron Kaye wrote:
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> virtual center on my xp ws works fine.
> i can see valid argument s for vmware or xen.
> we are going vmware in a big way.
> experiencing resistance from people invested in the status quo,
> and vendors lacking vmware knowledge/experience with their app.
> i would be interested in people with similar experiences, and how they
> overcame these hurdles.
>
> rk
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> Good food for thought -
> especially since we are looking @ virtualization big time for a new
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> On Jul 28, 2008, at 11:04 PM, gabriel rosenkoetter wrote:
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> > At 2008-07-28 20:16 -0400, Glenn Kelley <glenn@typo3usa.com> wrote:
> >> It seems that nothing really comes for free :-)
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> > Actually, Xen *does* do a majority of the things ESX does, and you
> > don't need to go pay, but your conscience probably should indicate a
> > donation if you're a business. And, for bonus points, Xen relies on
> > neither Windows nor .NET for management, either of which is a
> > pain in the ass, let alone both.[1]
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> > [1] This isn't religious derision. This is derision based on
> > experience with managing each (of VI Infrastructure and Xen).
> > Professionally. (I still manage ESX day to day. It pays better.)
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> > --
> > gabriel rosenkoetter
> > gr@eclipsed.net
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