| Ron Kaye on 31 Jul 2008 07:47:37 -0700 |
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very well stated. we are a bit further along 75 done 425 more to virtualize the vendor/vendor apps to run on vmware are a major impediment. of course, there are always those only invested in the status quo many vendors have not tested their virtual on a vm, and consequently wont bless it. i dont understand this. i would want to be the 1st on the block to have my app work in a vm. but thats the reality. we keeping moving forward ron Computer Sciences Corporation Registered Office: 3170 Fairview Park Drive, Falls Church, Virginia 22042, USA Registered in Nevada, USA No: C-489-59 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ron, I work in a near 100% Windows shop, but the folks are open to other systems, especially now that many appliances they use are running Linux internally. We started out 2 yr ago with Windows boxes running free VMware server and mostly Windows 2003 VM's with a few Linux VM"s I've worked into the mix. The group seems much more accepting of Linux when it's just a VM and not running on bare hardware. So I think the use of VMware has been a huge benifit to my ablity to bring more Linux VM's into the shop, and Bacula, of course, for cross platform client backups to disk. As a natural progression after experiencing management/backup difficulties with 20+ VM's I proposed VI/3 ( Virtual Center, 2ESX servers and a NetApp SAN ) It's amazing how well this stuff works, and the data duplication features are shriking my disk volumes by 60% to 70% . We are just rolling out the first production boxes on VI/3 and the performance seems like 10X what we were getting on the free product, but that's really not a fair comparison because the new servers are not loaded up yet. I don't think Xen was quite a far enough along for a Windows shop when we need a solution. If we had been a Linux shop, there may have been a stronger interest in Xen or other solutions. In any case - I get paid for getting solution to work, not in evanglizing about open source - and the VMware / NetApp solution just plain works. The VC management console on Windows is a pain, but I can always rdesktop into a Windows box. Now with ESXi being free VMware is really selling their management apps, and ability to move VM's while running. So when you need to patch the ESX host you just migrate all the VM's (while running ) to other ESX hosts, switch to management mode, patch, and bring the host back up with users never aware of the maintenance. The ability of being able to snapshot or copy a server to a template and redeploy to another server in 15 min is just impossible to imagine being without. And, yes I am bringing in or evaluating more open source / Linux solutions every month by getting this rolled out. I don't know if your question was to Virtualize or not, or between Xen and Vmware, but clearly Virtualization is a win for my client, and the decision between Xen and VMware has more to do with your main OS, and management features / ease of use that you need. PS: We did use a VAR to get the right HW mix and setup the SAN for us. There is a bunch of non trivial VLAN and Ethernet trunking, softswitch setup etc that would be quite an effort to sort out otherwise. You definitely need a VAR if your doing this for your 1st time. Contact me off list if you need more specific info. Lee Marzke lee@marzke.net IT Infrastructure Consultant Certified Perforce SCM Consultant Ron Kaye wrote: > > virtual center on my xp ws works fine. > i can see valid argument s for vmware or xen. > we are going vmware in a big way. > experiencing resistance from people invested in the status quo, > and vendors lacking vmware knowledge/experience with their app. > i would be interested in people with similar experiences, and how they > overcame these hurdles. > > rk > > Computer Sciences Corporation > Registered Office: 3170 Fairview Park Drive, Falls Church, Virginia > 22042, USA > Registered in Nevada, USA No: C-489-59 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, > please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the > mistake in delivery. > NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC > to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written > agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of > e-mail for such purpose. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > *Glenn Kelley <glenn@typo3usa.com>* > Sent by: plug-bounces@lists.phillylinux.org > > 07/28/2008 11:29 PM > Please respond to > "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" > <plug@lists.phillylinux.org> > > > > To > "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" > <plug@lists.phillylinux.org> > cc > > Subject > Re: [PLUG] IT: VMware ESXi Available For Free Starting Today > > > > > > > > > > Good food for thought - > especially since we are looking @ virtualization big time for a new > project. > > > On Jul 28, 2008, at 11:04 PM, gabriel rosenkoetter wrote: > > > At 2008-07-28 20:16 -0400, Glenn Kelley <glenn@typo3usa.com> wrote: > >> It seems that nothing really comes for free :-) > > > > Actually, Xen *does* do a majority of the things ESX does, and you > > don't need to go pay, but your conscience probably should indicate a > > donation if you're a business. And, for bonus points, Xen relies on > > neither Windows nor .NET for management, either of which is a > > pain in the ass, let alone both.[1] > > > > [1] This isn't religious derision. This is derision based on > > experience with managing each (of VI Infrastructure and Xen). > > Professionally. (I still manage ESX day to day. It pays better.) > > > > -- > > gabriel rosenkoetter > > gr@eclipsed.net > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > http://www.phillylinux.org > > Announcements - > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > > General Discussion -- > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
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