Mike on 19 Dec 2011 12:38:47 -0800

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Re: [PLUG] plug Digest, Vol 85, Issue 33

doh... the terms pulldown and dropdown usually refer to navigational menus.  If you meant the select element, Matt was right

As to CSS editing, WD presents your CSS exactly as written, and lets you edit it like a text file.  FB pretty prints the CSS (which can be useful at times, but can be a PITA when you're editing multiple elements simultaneously).  And FB presents everything (elements, properties and values) as form elements that you have to individually click into to edit. (Seriously, WTF?)

WD has many other useful tools which are not present in FB (and vice versa)

(and sorry about not changing the subject line... the original reply was written before the morning coffee)

Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:01:28 -0500
From: Doug Stewart <zamoose@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PLUG] plug Digest, Vol 85, Issue 33
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Why bother using the web developer extension AND Firebug. FB allows for
live CSS changes as well.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Matt Mossholder <matt@mossholder.com>wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Mike <coolgeek1987@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>  There is no pulldown element.  Pulldowns are (usually) based on nested
>> <ul> elements, with the top level <ul> displayed inline, and lower level
>> <ul>s displayed with an offset.
>> As such, Firebug's ability to let you dig into the DOM is invaluable in
>> trying to figure out how things like this are defined.
>> Also, the Web Developer extension for firefox (compare to Chrome's
>> developer console) lets you edit CSS and see the changes immediately,
>> without having to reload the page.
>> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/web-developer/
>> Note that the changes are only made to the copy of the script in the
>> browser, not the version on the server.
>> My flow in situations like this is to
>> - find out where the problem is via Firebug's DOM inspector
>> - use the Web Developer's CSS editor to quickly iterate to a solution
>> - apply the solution to the server copy of the stylesheet
>> - run the page through the CSS validator
> Actually, there is a pulldown element. It is named "select", just like it
> is in HTML,  and there is very little you can do to theme it, unfortunately.
>      --Matt
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