| Carl Johnson on 4 Sep 2012 08:03:45 -0700 |
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| Re: [PLUG] Strange networking (or Verizon marketing) question. |
not sure what you mean there. the two servers would be in different broadcast domains so how's that bad? you could probably do it the way you mentioned as well. i've never tried it that way. i just might experiment with that this week though. "Lee H. Marzke" <lee@marzke.net> wrote: >So then you have two DHCP servers ? ( remote Verizon for the router , >and >the router for the set top boxes ? ) This is bad. > >Since it was mentioned that settop boxes work behind NAT, why can't >you do this with a few moca bridges ? > >ONT moca -> moca bridge -> router(NAT, DHCP) -> moca bridge -> settop > -> internal net > >When I was doing lots of remote WiFi work I found that the small >routers were susceptible to crashing due to power line glitches. >Running these from small UPS made them much more reliable. So >if you have any stability issues with them I strongly recommend >feeding UPS power to them. > >I'm so glad I use OTA instead of Verizon TV service. > >Lee > >----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Kreno" <john.kreno@gmail.com> >> To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" ><plug@lists.phillylinux.org> >> Sent: Tuesday, 4 September, 2012 9:42:38 AM >> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Strange networking (or Verizon marketing) >question. >> >> Carl, >> >> What is shaky on the single unit solution. You end up having only >> one >> bridge group. You throw everything into it and hope that your router >> grabs the IP that Verizon is giving out. Now if that doesn't happen >> and one of the set top boxes grab it first, you are hosed. >> >> -John >> >> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 2:41 AM, Lee H. Marzke <lee@marzke.net> wrote: >> > I don't have FIOS TV service so never had to bother with the >> > ActionTec , but >> > this is >> > good to know. >> > >> > Just to post another way of using FIOS ONT's... >> > >> > I have my FIOS ONT Ethernet going into a cisco 2970 access port >> > where I hop >> > that onto >> > a VLAN, and then trunk that into my ESX environment ( where I now >> > run a >> > virtual >> > PFsense router/firewall ). >> > >> > It's really kind of neat that you can move your perimeter >> > router/firewall to >> > a VM >> > quite easily. >> > >> > Lee >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > >> > From: "Carl Johnson" <cjohnson19791979@gmail.com> >> > To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" >> > <plug@lists.phillylinux.org>, "Philadelphia Linux User's Group >> > Discussion >> > List" <plug@lists.phillylinux.org> >> > Sent: Tuesday, 4 September, 2012 12:04:06 AM >> > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Strange networking (or Verizon marketing) >> > question. >> > >> > >> > cool. never tried the two actiontec way. might be an experiment for >> > me this >> > week. as far as the single actiontec way, assuming you mean turning >> > it into >> > a double bridge i have it had it setup that way. yep.. shaky for >> > sure 'cause >> > if it dies you lose everything until you get a replacement. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Sent from my Motorola DynaTAC8000X >> > >> > John Kreno <john.kreno@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> That's correct. I'm not sure that Verizon will let you run from >> >> the >> >> Ethernet port if you have TV service with them. So this is a work >> >> around for the crowd that has TV service. There is also a work >> >> around >> >> using only one action tech, but it is shaky at best. >> >> >> >> -John >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Carl Johnson >> >> <cjohnson19791979@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > ok now i follow you. that's an alternative to running ethernet >> >> > all the >> >> > way >> >> > from your ONT to your own router. gotcha' >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Sent from my Motorola DynaTAC8000X >> >> > >> >> > John Kreno <john.kreno@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> If you dig into the actiontech interface.. You will see two >> >> >> moca >> >> >> interfaces. One is the WAN moca, the other is the LAN moca >> >> >> interface. >> >> >> In addition to these >> >> interfaces, I believe there are WAN and a LAN >> >> >> ethernet interfaces. What you want to do is bridge your Moca >> >> >> wan to >> >> >> one of the ethernet interfaces. And then using a seperate >> >> >> actiontech. >> >> >> Bridge your Moca Lan to an ethernet interface. The reason that >> >> >> two >> >> >> action-techs are needed is that they only to my knowledge >> >> >> support one >> >> >> bridge. So in this set up you essentially have one actiontech >> >> >> acting >> >> >> like a cable modem, and the second acting as an ethernet to >> >> >> Moca >> >> >> bridge for the set top boxes. They only need access to get >> >> >> guide >> >> >> information and can happily do that throught the NAT of any off >> >> >> the >> >> >> shelf Router of your choice. Let me know if this makes any >> >> >> sense. >> >> >> >> >> >> -John >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Coax to ONT--- >> >> >> AT CM ----(WAN) Router (LAN) ---- AT Moca Bridge --- Inside >> >> >> Coax >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >&g >> >> t; >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Carl Johnson >> >> >> <cjohnson19791979@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> > can you elaborate? as far as i know settops ONLY get data and >> >> >> > VoD via >> >> >> > MoCA >> >> >> > as they don't have a way to connect to ethernet otherwise. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Sent from my Motorola DynaTAC8000X >> >> >> > >> >> >> > John Kreno <john.kreno@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> There is a way to get around the MoCa stuff by using two >> >> >> >> action-tech >> >> >> >> "routers" in bridged mode to bridge the correct ethernet to >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> correct places using your own router of choice. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -John >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Rich Freeman >> >> >> >> >> >> <r-plug@thefreemanclan.net> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 2:55 PM, John BORIS >> >> >> >> > <jboris@adphila.org> >> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Fios is a bit more complicated as the router they give >> >> >> >> >> you also >> >> >> >> >> handles >> >> >> >> >> some sort of tv function. I amabout to see about using a >> >> >> >> >> different >> >> >> >> >> wireless router at home as the one the provide doesn't >> >> >> >> >> have good >> >> >> >> >> signal >> >> >> >> >> strength in my house. Good for security but a PIA when i >> >> >> >> >> want to >> >> >> >> >> use >> >> >> >> >> my >> >> >> >> >> ipad in the back of the house. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > The router doesn't actually do any TV functions. What it >> >> >> >> > does do >> >> >> >> > is >> >> >> >> > act as a DHCP server, both to your >> >> >> >> ethernet and >> >> Wifi >> >> (ie your >> >> >> >> > computers), AND to an ethernet-over-coax protocol that the >> >> >> >> > set-top >> >> >> >> > boxes use. So, the router is just a router, but the >> >> >> >> > set-top boxes >> >> >> >> > use >> >> >> >> > it, and if they can't get an IP connection then they lose >> >> >> >> > guide >> >> >> >> > data >> >> >> >> > and on-demand. The video itself is sent via a separate >> >> >> >> > channel >> >> >> >> > (QAM >> >> >> >> > I >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > assume - I know there is a bunch of encrypted QAM on the line >> >> >> > and >> >> >> >> > clear QAM for the locals). >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > So, if you don't like the FIOS router it is a pain to >> >> >> >> > avoid. You >> >> >> >> > can >> >> >> >> > either live with double-NATing, or you can set it to >> >> >> >> > bridged mode. >> >> >> >> > However, if you bridge the router then it won't listen to >> >> >> >> > anything >> >> >> >> > but >> >> >> >> & >> >> gt; >> >> your own router, and since your own router probably doesn't speak >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> > fancy ethernet-over-coax protocol (and likely isn't >> >> >> >> > attached to >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> > coax at all), then the set top boxes won't be happy. You >> >> >> >> > can also >> >> >> >> > ditch their router entirely if you can >> >> >> >> convince Verizon to turn on the >> >> >> >> > ethernet port on your ONT. Again, the set top boxes won't >> >> >> >> > be >> >> >> >> > happy. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > If you don't care about the guide data or on-demand on the >> >> >> >> > set top >> >> >> >> > boxes, then you >> >> >> don't need to worry about any of that. I just hook my >> >> >> >> > set-top boxes up to MythTV anyway - so they don't do much >> >> >> >> > but tune >> >> >> >> > channels and waste electricity. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Rich >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> >> >> >> > http://www.phillylinux.org >> >> >> >> > Announcements - >> >> >> >> > >http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> >> >> >> > General Discussion -- >> >> >> >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> John Kreno >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little >> >> >> >> >> >> >> temporary >> >> >> >> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> >> >> >> http://www.phillylinux.org >> >> >> >> Announcements - 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Kryptos >> > >> > Lee Marzke, lee@marzke.net http://marzke.net/lee/ >> > IT Consultant, VMware, VCenter, SAN storage, infrastructure, SW CM >> > >> > >> > >> > >___________________________________________________________________________ >> > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> > http://www.phillylinux.org >> > Announcements - >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> > General Discussion -- >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> John Kreno >> >> "Those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary >> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin >> >___________________________________________________________________________ >> Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> http://www.phillylinux.org >> Announcements - >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> General Discussion -- >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > >-- >"Between subtle shading and the absence of light lies the nuance of >iqlusion..." - 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