| John Kreno on 4 Sep 2012 07:55:24 -0700 |
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| Re: [PLUG] Strange networking (or Verizon marketing) question. |
I wasn't aware that it was possible to set up two bridges in the actiontec. I will look into that. On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Carl Johnson <cjohnson19791979@gmail.com> wrote: > yes. i've done it two ways. one with the actiontec as a dual bridge. one as > just a MoCA bridge alone. > > > > > > Sent from my Motorola DynaTAC8000X > > John Kreno <john.kreno@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Carl, >> >> You're saying that you were running a single Action-Tech setup >> with an off the shelf router ? I'm still talking about having an off >> the shelf router in the mix. When you are running the action-tech >> stock, I do believe that setup is nice and solid. But running a single >> unit with the bring your own router work around is very flaky. >> >> -John >> >> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Carl Johnson >> <cjohnson19791979@gmail.com> wrote: >> > hmm.... if we are talking about the same setup,the broadcast domain and >> > RF >> > frequencies are fully seperated. i had it that way for about a year with >> > no >> > issue. YMMV i suppose. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Sent from my Motorola DynaTAC8000X >> > >> > John Kreno <john.kreno@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Carl, >> >> >> >> What is shaky on the single unit solution. You end up having only one >> >> bridge group. You throw everything into it and hope that your router >> >> grabs the IP that Verizon is giving out. Now if that doesn't happen >> >> and one of the set top boxes grab it first, you are hosed. >> >> >> >> -John >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 2:41 AM, Lee H. Marzke <lee@marzke.net> wrote: >> >> > I don't have FIOS TV service so never had to bother with the >> >> > ActionTec , >> >> > but >> >> > this is >> >> > good to know. >> >> > >> >> > Just to post another way of using FIOS ONT's... >> >> > >> >> > I have my FIOS ONT Ethernet going into a cisco 2970 access port where >> >> > I >> >> > hop >> >> > that onto >> >> > a VLAN, and then trunk that into my ESX environment ( where I now run >> >> > a >> >> > >> virtual >> >> > PFsense router/firewall ). >> >> > >> >> > It's really kind of neat that you can >> >> move your perimeter router/firewall to >> >> > a VM >> >> > quite easily. >> >> > >> >> > Lee >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > From: "Carl Johnson" <cjohnson19791979@gmail.com> >> >> > To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" >> >> > <plug@lists.phillylinux.org>, "Philadelphia Linux User's Group >> >> > Discussion >> >> > List" <plug@lists.phillylinux.org> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, 4 September, 2012 12:04:06 AM >> >> > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Strange networking (or Verizon marketing) >> >> > question. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > cool. never tried the two actiontec way. might be an experiment for >> >> > me >> >> >> > this >> >> > week. as far as the single actiontec way, assuming you mean turning >> >> > it >> >> > into >> >> > a double bridge i have it had it setup that way. yep.. shaky for sure >> >> > 'cause >> >> > if it dies you lose everything until you get a replacement. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Sent from my Motorola DynaTAC8000X >> >> > >> >> > John Kreno <john.kreno@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> That's correct. I'm not sure that Verizon will let you run from the >> >> >> Ethernet port if you have TV service with them. So this is a work >> >> >> around for the crowd that has TV service. There is also a work >> >> >> around >> >> >> using only one action tech, but it is shaky at best. >> >> >> >> >> >> -John >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Carl Johnson >> >> >> <cjohnson19791979@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> > ok now i follow you. that's an alternative to running ethernet all >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > way >> >> >> > from your ONT to your own router. gotcha' >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Sent from my Motorola DynaTAC8000X >> >> >> > >> >> >> > John Kreno <john.kreno@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If you dig into the actiontech interface.. You will see two moca >> >> >> >> interfaces. One is the WAN moca, the other is the LAN moca >> >> >> >> interface. >> >> >> >> In addition to these >> >> >> interfaces, I believe there are WAN and a LAN >> >> >> >> ethernet interfaces. What you want to do is bridge your Moca wan >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> one of the ethernet interfaces. And then using a seperate >> >> >> >> actiontech. >> >> >> >> Bridge your Moca Lan to an ethernet interface. The reason that >> >> >> >> two >> >> >> >> action-techs are needed is that they only to my knowledge support >> >> >> >> one >> >> >> >> bridge. So in this set up you essentially have one actiontech >> >> >> >> acting >> >> >> >> like a cable modem, and the second acting as an ethernet to Moca >> >> >> >> bridge for the set top boxes. They only need access to get guide >> >> >> >> information and can happily do that throught the NAT of any off >> >> the >> >> >> >> shelf Router of your >> choice. Let me know if this makes any sense. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -John >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Coax to ONT--- >> >> >> >> AT CM ----(WAN) Router (LAN) ---- AT Moca Bridge --- Inside Coax >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >&g >> >> >> t; >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Carl Johnson >> >> >> >> <cjohnson19791979@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > can you elaborate? as far as i know settops ONLY get data and >> >> >> >> > VoD >> >> >> >> > via >> >> >> >> > MoCA >> >> >> >> > as they don't have a way to connect to ethernet otherwise. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Sent from my Motorola DynaTAC8000X >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > John Kreno <john.kreno@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> There is a way to get around the MoCa stuff by using two >> >> >> >> >> action-tech >> >> >> >> >> "routers" in bridged mode to bridge the correct ethernet to >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> correct places using your own router of choice. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -John >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Rich Freeman >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <r-plug@thefreemanclan.net> >> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 2:55 PM, John BORIS >> >> >> >> >> > <jboris@adphila.org> >> >> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Fios is a bit more complicated as the router they give you >> >> >> >> >> >> also >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> handles >> >> >> >> >> >> some sort of tv function. I amabout to see about using a >> >> >> >> >> >> different >> >> >> >> >> >> wireless router at home as the one the provide doesn't have >> >> >> >> >> >> good >> >> >> >> >> >> signal >> >> >> >> >> >> strength in my house. Good for security but a PIA when i >> >> >> >> >> >> want >> >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> use >> >> >> >> >> >> my >> >> >> >> >> >> ipad in the back of the house. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > The router doesn't actually do any TV functions. What it >> >> >> >> >> > does >> >> >> >> >> > do >> >> >> >> >> > is >> >> >> >> >> > act as a DHCP server, both to your >> >> >> >> >> ethernet and >> >> >> Wifi >> >> >> (ie your >> >> >> >> >> > computers), AND to an ethernet-over-coax >> >> protocol that the set-top >> >> >> >> >> > boxes use. So, the router is just a router, but the set-top >> >> >> >> >> > boxes >> >> >> >> >> >> > use >> >> >> >> >> > it, and if they can't get an IP connection then they lose >> >> >> >> >> > guide >> >> >> >> >> > data >> >> >> >> >> > and on-demand. The video itself is sent via a separate >> >> >> >> >> > channel >> >> >> >> >> > (QAM >> >> >> >> >> > I >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > assume - I know there is a bunch of encrypted QAM on the line >> >> >> >> > and >> >> >> >> >> > clear QAM for the locals). >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > So, if you don't like the FIOS router it is a pain to avoid. >> >> >> >> >> > You >> >> >> >> >> > can >> >> >> >> >> > either live with double-NATing, or you can set it to bridged >> >> >> >> >> >> > mode. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > However, if you bridge the router then it won't listen to anything >> >> >> >> >> > but >> >> >> >> >> & >> >> >> gt; >> >> >> your own router, and since your own router probably doesn't speak >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > fancy ethernet-over-coax protocol (and likely isn't attached >> >> >> >> >> > to >> >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> >> > coax at all), then the set top boxes won't be happy. You >> >> >> >> >> > can >> >> >> >> >> > also >> >> >> >> >> > ditch their router entirely if you can >> >> >> >> >> convince Verizon to turn on the >> >> >> >> >> > ethernet port on your ONT. Again, the set top boxes won't >> >> >> >> >> > be >> >> >> >> >> >> > happy. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > If you don't care about the guide data or on-demand on the >> >> >> >> >> > set >> >> >> >> >> > top >> >> >> >> >> > boxes, then >> >> you >> >> >> >> don't need to worry about any of that. I just hook my >> >> >> >> >> > set-top boxes up to MythTV anyway - so they don't do much >> >> >> >> >> > but >> >> >> >> >> > tune >> >> >> >> >> > channels and waste electricity. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Rich >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> >> >> >> >> > http://www.phillylinux.org >> >> >> >> >> > Announcements - >> >> >> >> >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> >> >> >> >> > General Discussion -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> John Kreno >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> temporary >> >> >> >> >> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> >> >> >> >> http://www.phillylinux.org >> >> >> >> >> Announcements - >> >> >> >> >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> >> >> >> >> General Discussion -- >> >> >> >> >> >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> >> >> >> > http://www.phillylinux.org >> >> >> >> > Announcements - >> >> >> >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> >> >> >> > General Discussion -- >> >> >> >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> John Kreno >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little >> >> >> >> temporary >> >> >> >> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> >> >> >> http://www.phillylinux.org >> >> >> >> Announcements - >> >> >> >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> >> >> >> General Discussion -- >> >> >> >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> >> >> > http://www.phillylinux.org >> >> >> > Announcements - >> >> >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> >> >> > General Discussion -- >> >> >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> John Kreno >> >> >> >> >> >> "Those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little >> >> >> temporary >> >> >> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> >> >> http://www.phillylinux.org >> >> >> Announcements - >> >> >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> >> >> General Discussion -- >> >> >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> >> > http://www.phillylinux.org >> >> > Announcements - >> >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> >> > General Discussion -- >> >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > "Between subtle shading and the absence of light lies the nuance of >> >> > iqlusion..." - Kryptos >> >> > >> >> >> > Lee Marzke, lee@marzke.net http://marzke.net/lee/ >> >> > IT Consultant, VMware, VCenter, SAN storage, infrastructure, SW CM >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> >> > http://www.phillylinux.org >> >> > Announcements - >> >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> >> > General Discussion -- >> >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> John >> >> Kreno >> >> >> >> "Those who would sacrifice essential liberties >> for a little temporary >> >> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> >> http://www.phillylinux.org >> >> Announcements - >> >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> >> General Discussion -- >> >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ >> >> > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> > http://www.phillylinux.org >> > Announcements - >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> > General Discussion -- >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> John Kreno >> >> "Those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary >> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin >> ________________________________ >> >> Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> http://www.phillylinux.org >> Announcements - >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> General Discussion -- >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- John Kreno "Those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug