Re: [PLUG] Strange networking (or Verizon marketing) question.

John Kreno <john.kreno@gmail.com> wrote:
Carl,

 What is shaky on the single unit solution. You end up having only one
bridge group. You throw everything into it and hope that your router
grabs the IP that Verizon is giving out. Now if that doesn't happen
and one of the set top boxes grab it first, you are hosed.

 -John

On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 2:41 AM, Lee H. Marzke <lee@marzke.net> wrote:
> I don't have FIOS TV service so never had to bother with the ActionTec , but
> this is
> good to know.
>
> Just to post another way of using FIOS ONT's...
>
> I have my FIOS ONT Ethernet going into a cisco 2970 access port where I hop
> that onto
> a VLAN, and then trunk that into my ESX environment ( where I now run a
> virtual
> PFsense router/firewall ).
>
> It's really kind of neat that you can
move your perimeter router/firewall to
> a VM
> quite easily.
>
> Lee
>
>

>
> From: "Carl Johnson" <cjohnson19791979@gmail.com>
> To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List"
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> Sent: Tuesday, 4 September, 2012 12:04:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Strange networking (or Verizon marketing) question.
>
>
> cool. never tried the two actiontec way. might be an experiment for me this
> week. as far as the single actiontec way, assuming you mean turning it into
> a double bridge i have it had it setup that way. yep.. shaky for sure 'cause
> if it dies you lose everything until you get a replacement.
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Motorola DynaTAC8000X
>
> John Kreno <john.kreno@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> That's correct. I'm not sure that Verizon will let you run from the
>> Ethernet port if you have TV service with them. So this is a work
>> around for the crowd that has TV service. There is also a work around
>> using only one action tech, but it is shaky at best.
>>
>>  -John
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Carl Johnson
>> <cjohnson19791979@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > ok now i follow you. that's an alternative to running ethernet all the
>> > way
>> > from your ONT to your own router. gotcha'
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my Motorola DynaTAC8000X
>> >
>> > John Kreno <john.kreno@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>>
>> If you dig into the actiontech interface.. You will see two moca
>> >> interfaces. One is the WAN moca, the other is the LAN moca interface.
>> >> In addition to these
>> interfaces, I believe there are WAN and a LAN
>> >> ethernet interfaces. What you want to do is bridge your Moca wan to
>> >> one of the ethernet interfaces. And then using a seperate actiontech.
>> >> Bridge your Moca Lan to an ethernet interface. The reason that two
>> >> action-techs are needed is that they only to my knowledge support one
>> >> bridge. So in this set up you essentially have one actiontech acting
>> >> like a cable modem, and the second acting as an ethernet to Moca
>> >> bridge for the set top boxes. They only need access to get guide
>> >> information and can happily do that throught the NAT of any off
the
>> >> shelf Router of your choice. Let me know if this makes any sense.
>> >>
>> >>  -John
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Coax to ONT---
>> >> AT CM ----(WAN) Router (LAN) ---- AT Moca Bridge --- Inside Coax
>> >>
>> >>
>> >&g
>>  t;
>>
>> >> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Carl Johnson
>> >> <cjohnson19791979@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > can you elaborate? as far as i know settops ONLY get data and VoD via
>> >> > MoCA
>> >> > as they don't have a way to connect to ethernet otherwise.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Sent from my Motorola DynaTAC8000X
>>
>> >
>> >> > John Kreno <john.kreno@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> There is a way to get around the MoCa stuff by using two action-tech
>> >> >> "routers" in bridged mode to bridge the correct ethernet to the
>> >> >> correct places using your own router of choice.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>  -John
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Rich Freeman
>> >> >>
>> <r-plug@thefreemanclan.net>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 2:55 PM, John BORIS <jboris@adphila.org>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> Fios is a bit more complicated as the router they give you also
>> >> >> >>
handles
>> >> >> >> some sort of tv function. I amabout to see about using a
>> >> >> >> different
>> >> >> >> wireless router at home as the one the provide doesn't have good
>> >> >> >> signal
>> >> >> >> strength in my house. Good for security but a PIA when i want to
>> >> >> >> use
>> >> >> >> my
>> >> >> >> ipad in the back of the house.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The router doesn't actually do any TV functions.  What it does do
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > act as a DHCP server, both to your
>> >> >> ethernet and
>>   Wifi
>> (ie your
>> >> >> > computers), AND to an ethernet-over-coax
protocol that the set-top
>> >> >> > boxes use.  So, the router is just a router, but the set-top boxes
>> >> >> > use
>> >> >> > it, and if they can't get an IP connection then they lose guide
>> >> >> > data
>> >> >> > and on-demand.  The video itself is sent via a separate channel
>> >> >> > (QAM
>> >> >> > I
>> >> >>
>> >> > assume - I know there is a bunch of encrypted QAM on the line and
>> >> >> > clear QAM for the locals).
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > So, if you don't like the FIOS router it is a pain to avoid.  You
>> >> >> > can
>> >> >> > either live with double-NATing, or you can set it to bridged mode.
>> >>
>> > However, if you bridge the router then it won't listen to anything
>> >> >> > but
>> >> >> &
>>  gt;
>> your own router, and since your own router probably doesn't speak the
>>
>> >> >> > fancy ethernet-over-coax protocol (and likely isn't attached to
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > coax at all), then the set top boxes won't be happy.  You can also
>> >> >> > ditch their router entirely if you can
>> >> >> convince Verizon to turn on the
>> >> >> > ethernet port on your ONT.  Again, the set top boxes won't be
>> >> >> > happy.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > If you don't care about the guide data or on-demand on the set top
>> >> >> > boxes, then
you
>> >> don't need to worry about any of that.  I just hook my
>> >> >> > set-top boxes up to MythTV anyway - so they don't do much but tune
>> >> >> > channels and waste electricity.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Rich
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>

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