Re: [PLUG] Strange networking (or Verizon marketing) question.

John Kreno on 4 Sep 2012 07:44:04 -0700

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Re: [PLUG] Strange networking (or Verizon marketing) question.

From: John Kreno <john.kreno@gmail.com>
To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" <plug@lists.phillylinux.org>
Subject: Re: [PLUG] Strange networking (or Verizon marketing) question.
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 10:44:00 -0400
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Carl,

    You're saying that you were running a single Action-Tech setup
with an off the shelf router ? I'm still talking about having an off
the shelf router in the mix. When you are running the action-tech
stock, I do believe that setup is nice and solid. But running a single
unit with the bring your own router work around is very flaky.

 -John

On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Carl Johnson
<cjohnson19791979@gmail.com> wrote:
> hmm.... if we are talking about the same setup,the broadcast domain and RF
> frequencies are fully seperated. i had it that way for about a year with no
> issue. YMMV i suppose.
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Motorola DynaTAC8000X
>
> John Kreno <john.kreno@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Carl,
>>
>>  What is shaky on the single unit solution. You end up having only one
>> bridge group. You throw everything into it and hope that your router
>> grabs the IP that Verizon is giving out. Now if that doesn't happen
>> and one of the set top boxes grab it first, you are hosed.
>>
>>  -John
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 2:41 AM, Lee H. Marzke <lee@marzke.net> wrote:
>> > I don't have FIOS TV service so never had to bother with the ActionTec ,
>> > but
>> > this is
>> > good to know.
>> >
>> > Just to post another way of using FIOS ONT's...
>> >
>> > I have my FIOS ONT Ethernet going into a cisco 2970 access port where I
>> > hop
>> > that onto
>> > a VLAN, and then trunk that into my ESX environment ( where I now run a
>> > virtual
>> > PFsense router/firewall ).
>> >
>> > It's really kind of neat that you can
>> move your perimeter router/firewall to
>> > a VM
>> > quite easily.
>> >
>> > Lee
>> >
>> >
>> ________________________________
>>
>> >
>> > From: "Carl Johnson" <cjohnson19791979@gmail.com>
>> > To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List"
>> > <plug@lists.phillylinux.org>, "Philadelphia Linux User's Group
>> > Discussion
>> > List" <plug@lists.phillylinux.org>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, 4 September, 2012 12:04:06 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Strange networking (or Verizon marketing) question.
>> >
>> >
>> > cool. never tried the two actiontec way. might be an experiment for me
>> > this
>> > week. as far as the single actiontec way, assuming you mean turning it
>> > into
>> > a double bridge i have it had it setup that way. yep.. shaky for sure
>> > 'cause
>> > if it dies you lose everything until you get a replacement.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my Motorola DynaTAC8000X
>> >
>> > John Kreno <john.kreno@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> That's correct. I'm not sure that Verizon will let you run from the
>> >> Ethernet port if you have TV service with them. So this is a work
>> >> around for the crowd that has TV service. There is also a work around
>> >> using only one action tech, but it is shaky at best.
>> >>
>> >>  -John
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Carl Johnson
>> >> <cjohnson19791979@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > ok now i follow you. that's an alternative to running ethernet all
>> >> > the
>> >> > way
>> >> > from your ONT to your own router. gotcha'
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Sent from my Motorola DynaTAC8000X
>> >> >
>> >> > John Kreno <john.kreno@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >> If you dig into the actiontech interface.. You will see two moca
>> >> >> interfaces. One is the WAN moca, the other is the LAN moca
>> >> >> interface.
>> >> >> In addition to these
>> >> interfaces, I believe there are WAN and a LAN
>> >> >> ethernet interfaces. What you want to do is bridge your Moca wan to
>> >> >> one of the ethernet interfaces. And then using a seperate
>> >> >> actiontech.
>> >> >> Bridge your Moca Lan to an ethernet interface. The reason that two
>> >> >> action-techs are needed is that they only to my knowledge support
>> >> >> one
>> >> >> bridge. So in this set up you essentially have one actiontech acting
>> >> >> like a cable modem, and the second acting as an ethernet to Moca
>> >> >> bridge for the set top boxes. They only need access to get guide
>> >> >> information and can happily do that throught the NAT of any off
>> the
>> >> >> shelf Router of your choice. Let me know if this makes any sense.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>  -John
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Coax to ONT---
>> >> >> AT CM ----(WAN) Router (LAN) ---- AT Moca Bridge --- Inside Coax
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >&g
>> >>  t;
>> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Carl Johnson
>> >> >> <cjohnson19791979@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > can you elaborate? as far as i know settops ONLY get data and VoD
>> >> >> > via
>> >> >> > MoCA
>> >> >> > as they don't have a way to connect to ethernet otherwise.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Sent from my Motorola DynaTAC8000X
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >> > John Kreno <john.kreno@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> There is a way to get around the MoCa stuff by using two
>> >> >> >> action-tech
>> >> >> >> "routers" in bridged mode to bridge the correct ethernet to the
>> >> >> >> correct places using your own router of choice.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>  -John
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Rich Freeman
>> >> >> >>
>> >> <r-plug@thefreemanclan.net>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 2:55 PM, John BORIS <jboris@adphila.org>
>> >> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> Fios is a bit more complicated as the router they give you
>> >> >> >> >> also
>> >> >> >> >>
>> handles
>> >> >> >> >> some sort of tv function. I amabout to see about using a
>> >> >> >> >> different
>> >> >> >> >> wireless router at home as the one the provide doesn't have
>> >> >> >> >> good
>> >> >> >> >> signal
>> >> >> >> >> strength in my house. Good for security but a PIA when i want
>> >> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> use
>> >> >> >> >> my
>> >> >> >> >> ipad in the back of the house.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > The router doesn't actually do any TV functions.  What it does
>> >> >> >> > do
>> >> >> >> > is
>> >> >> >> > act as a DHCP server, both to your
>> >> >> >> ethernet and
>> >>   Wifi
>> >> (ie your
>> >> >> >> > computers), AND to an ethernet-over-coax
>> protocol that the set-top
>> >> >> >> > boxes use.  So, the router is just a router, but the set-top
>> >> >> >> > boxes
>> >> >> >> > use
>> >> >> >> > it, and if they can't get an IP connection then they lose guide
>> >> >> >> > data
>> >> >> >> > and on-demand.  The video itself is sent via a separate channel
>> >> >> >> > (QAM
>> >> >> >> > I
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> > assume - I know there is a bunch of encrypted QAM on the line and
>> >> >> >> > clear QAM for the locals).
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > So, if you don't like the FIOS router it is a pain to avoid.
>> >> >> >> > You
>> >> >> >> > can
>> >> >> >> > either live with double-NATing, or you can set it to bridged
>> >> >> >> > mode.
>> >> >>
>> >> > However, if you bridge the router then it won't listen to anything
>> >> >> >> > but
>> >> >> >> &
>> >>  gt;
>> >> your own router, and since your own router probably doesn't speak the
>> >>
>> >> >> >> > fancy ethernet-over-coax protocol (and likely isn't attached to
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > coax at all), then the set top boxes won't be happy.  You can
>> >> >> >> > also
>> >> >> >> > ditch their router entirely if you can
>> >> >> >> convince Verizon to turn on the
>> >> >> >> > ethernet port on your ONT.  Again, the set top boxes won't be
>> >> >> >> > happy.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > If you don't care about the guide data or on-demand on the set
>> >> >> >> > top
>> >> >> >> > boxes, then
>> you
>> >> >> don't need to worry about any of that.  I just hook my
>> >> >> >> > set-top boxes up to MythTV anyway - so they don't do much but
>> >> >> >> > tune
>> >> >> >> > channels and waste electricity.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Rich
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
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>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> John Kreno
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "Those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> temporary
>> >> >> >> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
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>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> >>
>> >> >>
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>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> John Kreno
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little
>> >> >> temporary
>> >> >> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> >>
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>> >> >
>> >>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> >>
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>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> John Kreno
>> >>
>> >> "Those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary
>> >> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin
>> >>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> >>
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>> >> http://www.phillylinux.org
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>> >
>> >
>> ________________________________
>>
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > "Between subtle shading and the absence of light lies the nuance of
>> > iqlusion..."  - Kryptos
>> >
>> > Lee Marzke,  lee@marzke.net     http://marzke.net/lee/
>> > IT Consultant, VMware, VCenter, SAN storage, infrastructure, SW CM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> John
>> Kreno
>>
>> "Those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary
>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin
>> ________________________________
>>
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-- 
John Kreno

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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin
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