John Kreno on 4 Sep 2012 07:44:04 -0700 |
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Re: [PLUG] Strange networking (or Verizon marketing) question. |
Carl, You're saying that you were running a single Action-Tech setup with an off the shelf router ? I'm still talking about having an off the shelf router in the mix. When you are running the action-tech stock, I do believe that setup is nice and solid. But running a single unit with the bring your own router work around is very flaky. -John On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Carl Johnson <cjohnson19791979@gmail.com> wrote: > hmm.... if we are talking about the same setup,the broadcast domain and RF > frequencies are fully seperated. i had it that way for about a year with no > issue. YMMV i suppose. > > > > > > Sent from my Motorola DynaTAC8000X > > John Kreno <john.kreno@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Carl, >> >> What is shaky on the single unit solution. You end up having only one >> bridge group. You throw everything into it and hope that your router >> grabs the IP that Verizon is giving out. Now if that doesn't happen >> and one of the set top boxes grab it first, you are hosed. >> >> -John >> >> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 2:41 AM, Lee H. Marzke <lee@marzke.net> wrote: >> > I don't have FIOS TV service so never had to bother with the ActionTec , >> > but >> > this is >> > good to know. >> > >> > Just to post another way of using FIOS ONT's... >> > >> > I have my FIOS ONT Ethernet going into a cisco 2970 access port where I >> > hop >> > that onto >> > a VLAN, and then trunk that into my ESX environment ( where I now run a >> > virtual >> > PFsense router/firewall ). >> > >> > It's really kind of neat that you can >> move your perimeter router/firewall to >> > a VM >> > quite easily. >> > >> > Lee >> > >> > >> ________________________________ >> >> > >> > From: "Carl Johnson" <cjohnson19791979@gmail.com> >> > To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" >> > <plug@lists.phillylinux.org>, "Philadelphia Linux User's Group >> > Discussion >> > List" <plug@lists.phillylinux.org> >> > Sent: Tuesday, 4 September, 2012 12:04:06 AM >> > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Strange networking (or Verizon marketing) question. >> > >> > >> > cool. never tried the two actiontec way. might be an experiment for me >> > this >> > week. as far as the single actiontec way, assuming you mean turning it >> > into >> > a double bridge i have it had it setup that way. yep.. shaky for sure >> > 'cause >> > if it dies you lose everything until you get a replacement. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Sent from my Motorola DynaTAC8000X >> > >> > John Kreno <john.kreno@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> That's correct. I'm not sure that Verizon will let you run from the >> >> Ethernet port if you have TV service with them. So this is a work >> >> around for the crowd that has TV service. There is also a work around >> >> using only one action tech, but it is shaky at best. >> >> >> >> -John >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Carl Johnson >> >> <cjohnson19791979@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > ok now i follow you. that's an alternative to running ethernet all >> >> > the >> >> > way >> >> > from your ONT to your own router. gotcha' >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Sent from my Motorola DynaTAC8000X >> >> > >> >> > John Kreno <john.kreno@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If you dig into the actiontech interface.. You will see two moca >> >> >> interfaces. One is the WAN moca, the other is the LAN moca >> >> >> interface. >> >> >> In addition to these >> >> interfaces, I believe there are WAN and a LAN >> >> >> ethernet interfaces. What you want to do is bridge your Moca wan to >> >> >> one of the ethernet interfaces. And then using a seperate >> >> >> actiontech. >> >> >> Bridge your Moca Lan to an ethernet interface. The reason that two >> >> >> action-techs are needed is that they only to my knowledge support >> >> >> one >> >> >> bridge. So in this set up you essentially have one actiontech acting >> >> >> like a cable modem, and the second acting as an ethernet to Moca >> >> >> bridge for the set top boxes. They only need access to get guide >> >> >> information and can happily do that throught the NAT of any off >> the >> >> >> shelf Router of your choice. Let me know if this makes any sense. >> >> >> >> >> >> -John >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Coax to ONT--- >> >> >> AT CM ----(WAN) Router (LAN) ---- AT Moca Bridge --- Inside Coax >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >&g >> >> t; >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Carl Johnson >> >> >> <cjohnson19791979@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> > can you elaborate? as far as i know settops ONLY get data and VoD >> >> >> > via >> >> >> > MoCA >> >> >> > as they don't have a way to connect to ethernet otherwise. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Sent from my Motorola DynaTAC8000X >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > John Kreno <john.kreno@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> There is a way to get around the MoCa stuff by using two >> >> >> >> action-tech >> >> >> >> "routers" in bridged mode to bridge the correct ethernet to the >> >> >> >> correct places using your own router of choice. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -John >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Rich Freeman >> >> >> >> >> >> <r-plug@thefreemanclan.net> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 2:55 PM, John BORIS <jboris@adphila.org> >> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Fios is a bit more complicated as the router they give you >> >> >> >> >> also >> >> >> >> >> >> handles >> >> >> >> >> some sort of tv function. I amabout to see about using a >> >> >> >> >> different >> >> >> >> >> wireless router at home as the one the provide doesn't have >> >> >> >> >> good >> >> >> >> >> signal >> >> >> >> >> strength in my house. Good for security but a PIA when i want >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> use >> >> >> >> >> my >> >> >> >> >> ipad in the back of the house. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > The router doesn't actually do any TV functions. What it does >> >> >> >> > do >> >> >> >> > is >> >> >> >> > act as a DHCP server, both to your >> >> >> >> ethernet and >> >> Wifi >> >> (ie your >> >> >> >> > computers), AND to an ethernet-over-coax >> protocol that the set-top >> >> >> >> > boxes use. So, the router is just a router, but the set-top >> >> >> >> > boxes >> >> >> >> > use >> >> >> >> > it, and if they can't get an IP connection then they lose guide >> >> >> >> > data >> >> >> >> > and on-demand. The video itself is sent via a separate channel >> >> >> >> > (QAM >> >> >> >> > I >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > assume - I know there is a bunch of encrypted QAM on the line and >> >> >> >> > clear QAM for the locals). >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > So, if you don't like the FIOS router it is a pain to avoid. >> >> >> >> > You >> >> >> >> > can >> >> >> >> > either live with double-NATing, or you can set it to bridged >> >> >> >> > mode. >> >> >> >> >> > However, if you bridge the router then it won't listen to anything >> >> >> >> > but >> >> >> >> & >> >> gt; >> >> your own router, and since your own router probably doesn't speak the >> >> >> >> >> >> > fancy ethernet-over-coax protocol (and likely isn't attached to >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> > coax at all), then the set top boxes won't be happy. You can >> >> >> >> > also >> >> >> >> > ditch their router entirely if you can >> >> >> >> convince Verizon to turn on the >> >> >> >> > ethernet port on your ONT. Again, the set top boxes won't be >> >> >> >> > happy. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > If you don't care about the guide data or on-demand on the set >> >> >> >> > top >> >> >> >> > boxes, then >> you >> >> >> don't need to worry about any of that. I just hook my >> >> >> >> > set-top boxes up to MythTV anyway - so they don't do much but >> >> >> >> > tune >> >> >> >> > channels and waste electricity. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Rich >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> >> >> >> > http://www.phillylinux.org >> >> >> >> > Announcements - >> >> >> >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> >> >> >> > General Discussion -- >> >> >> >> >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> John Kreno >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little >> >> >> >> >> >> >> temporary >> >> >> >> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> >> >> >> http://www.phillylinux.org >> >> >> >> Announcements - >> >> >> >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> >> >> >> General Discussion -- >> >> >> >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> >> >> > http://www.phillylinux.org >> >> >> > Announcements - >> >> >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> >> >> > General Discussion -- >> >> >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> John Kreno >> >> >> >> >> >> "Those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little >> >> >> temporary >> >> >> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> >> >> http://www.phillylinux.org >> >> >> Announcements - >> >> >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> >> >> General Discussion -- >> >> >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> >> > http://www.phillylinux.org >> >> > Announcements - >> >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> >> > General Discussion -- >> >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> John Kreno >> >> >> >> "Those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary >> >> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> >> http://www.phillylinux.org >> >> Announcements - >> >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> >> General Discussion -- >> >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ >> >> > >> > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> > http://www.phillylinux.org >> > Announcements - >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> > General Discussion -- >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > "Between subtle shading and the absence of light lies the nuance of >> > iqlusion..." - Kryptos >> > >> > Lee Marzke, lee@marzke.net http://marzke.net/lee/ >> > IT Consultant, VMware, VCenter, SAN storage, infrastructure, SW CM >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ >> >> > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> > http://www.phillylinux.org >> > Announcements - >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> > General Discussion -- >> > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> John >> Kreno >> >> "Those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary >> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin >> ________________________________ >> >> Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- >> http://www.phillylinux.org >> Announcements - >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> General Discussion -- >> http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - 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