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1. Re: Wanted: volunteers with bandwidth, storage, coding skills
to help save climate data (Christopher Barry)
2. Re: Wanted: volunteers with bandwidth, storage, coding skills
to help save climate data (Will)
3. Re: Wanted: volunteers with bandwidth, storage, coding skills
to help save climate data (Charlie Li)
4. Re: Wanted: volunteers with bandwidth, storage, coding skills
to help save climate data (Will)
5. Re: Wanted: volunteers with bandwidth, storage, coding skills
to help save climate data (Ronald P Guilmet)

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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 11:08:19 -0500
From: Christopher Barry <christopher.r.barry@gmail.com>
To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org
Subject: Re: [PLUG] Wanted: volunteers with bandwidth, storage, coding
    skills to help save climate data
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On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 10:32:33 -0500
Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org> wrote:

>If you have an interest in preserving a lot of scientific research
>data:
>
>    Scientists are frantically copying U.S. climate data, fearing
>    it might vanish under Trump
>    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/12/13/scientists-are-frantically-copying-u-s-climate-data-fearing-it-might-vanish-under-trump/
>
>I've set up a mailing list to coordinate IT efforts to help out.
>Signup via climatedata-request@firemountain.net or, if you prefer
>Mailman's web interface,
>http://www.firemountain.net/mailman/listinfo/climatedata should work.
>
>---rsk

While I greatly respect you Rich, this whole thing seems a bit like
'the sky is falling' to me.

Does anyone /really/ think Trump would seize or delete their data?
That's seriously paranoid and weird. Why can't they just throw it up on
github or somewhere like that?

--
Regards,
Christopher

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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 11:11:26 -0500
From: Will <staticphantom@gmail.com>
To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List"
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Subject: Re: [PLUG] Wanted: volunteers with bandwidth, storage, coding
    skills to help save climate data
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As someone that works a site that researches climate data, we are nearing a
quarter exabyte of data. The data is fine and nobody should concern
themselves. Someone can do me a huge favor however if they tell me the data
is HDF of NetCDF formatted.

-Will C

On Dec 17, 2016 11:08, "Christopher Barry" <christopher.r.barry@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 10:32:33 -0500
> Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org> wrote:
>
> >If you have an interest in preserving a lot of scientific research
> >data:
> >
> > Scientists are frantically copying U.S. climate data, fearing
> > it might vanish under Trump
> > https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/
> wp/2016/12/13/scientists-are-frantically-copying-u-s-
> climate-data-fearing-it-might-vanish-under-trump/
> >
> >I've set up a mailing list to coordinate IT efforts to help out.
> >Signup via climatedata-request@firemountain.net or, if you prefer
> >Mailman's web interface,
> >http://www.firemountain.net/mailman/listinfo/climatedata should work.
> >
> >---rsk
>
> While I greatly respect you Rich, this whole thing seems a bit like
> 'the sky is falling' to me.
>
> Does anyone /really/ think Trump would seize or delete their data?
> That's seriously paranoid and weird. Why can't they just throw it up on
> github or somewhere like that?
>
> --
> Regards,
> Christopher
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Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 11:22:53 -0500
From: Charlie Li <ml+PLUG@vishwin.info>
To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org
Subject: Re: [PLUG] Wanted: volunteers with bandwidth, storage, coding
    skills to help save climate data
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On 17/12/16 11:08, Christopher Barry wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 10:32:33 -0500
> Rich Kulawiec wrote:
>
>> If you have an interest in preserving a lot of scientific research
>> data:
>>
>>     Scientists are frantically copying U.S. climate data, fearing
>>     it might vanish under Trump
>>     https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/12/13/scientists-are-frantically-copying-u-s-climate-data-fearing-it-might-vanish-under-trump/
>>
> Does anyone /really/ think Trump would seize or delete their data?
> That's seriously paranoid and weird. Why can't they just throw it up on
> github or somewhere like that?
>
This has happened rather recently in Canada when Stephen Harper was
Prime Minister (the PM immediately previous to Justin Trudeau). Except
he did it by slashing budgets to government scientific institutions so
they'd eventually shutter, and with shuttering comes inaccessibility of
data.

--
Charlie Li
Can't think of a witty .sigline today?

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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 11:37:56 -0500
From: Will <staticphantom@gmail.com>
To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List"
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Subject: Re: [PLUG] Wanted: volunteers with bandwidth, storage, coding
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The archive of all the climate data I'm the US is not in jeopardy. Its data
is analyzed for both economic and military strategies. If you want to see
something interesting, watch the Navy freak out over the North West Passage
opening up in addition to the geopolitical issues it raises.

As long as climate can be viewed for both military and economic purposes
then I do not see the climate data going anywhere. And of the smartest
things Trump is pushing for is pulling all earth monitoring out of NASA and
place the budget and people with NOAA. This single concentration should
allow NOAA's mission with studying climate science with greater
effectiveness and efficiency. The media has spun this out of proportion
while ignoring the fact that NOAA and NASA has have satellite projects
cancelled prior to launch costing the tax payers a lot without seeing the
benefit of the money spent. Hopefully now we can restore our monitoring
constellation which should also improve our models.

Can we do ourselves a favor and stop the fear mongering given the election
please? I didn't vote for the guy but I can't believe the crap I am seeing
that just isn't true. There will be times to call for help collectively in
the future becasue no congress is immune to oversight or lobby interests,
but right now I wouldn't waste your efforts or do or say anything to hurt
your credibility in the future. I'm glad people care and are listening but
please do your homework and consider the sources.

-Will C

On Dec 17, 2016 11:23, "Charlie Li" <ml+PLUG@vishwin.info> wrote:

> On 17/12/16 11:08, Christopher Barry wrote:
> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 10:32:33 -0500
> > Rich Kulawiec wrote:
> >
> >> If you have an interest in preserving a lot of scientific research
> >> data:
> >>
> >> Scientists are frantically copying U.S. climate data, fearing
> >> it might vanish under Trump
> >> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/
> wp/2016/12/13/scientists-are-frantically-copying-u-s-
> climate-data-fearing-it-might-vanish-under-trump/
> >>
> > Does anyone /really/ think Trump would seize or delete their data?
> > That's seriously paranoid and weird. Why can't they just throw it up on
> > github or somewhere like that?
> >
> This has happened rather recently in Canada when Stephen Harper was
> Prime Minister (the PM immediately previous to Justin Trudeau). Except
> he did it by slashing budgets to government scientific institutions so
> they'd eventually shutter, and with shuttering comes inaccessibility of
> data.
>
> --
> Charlie Li
> Can't think of a witty .sigline today?
>
> (This email address is for mailing list use only;
> replace local-part with vishwin for off-list communication)
>
>
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Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 16:45:38 +0000
From: Ronald P Guilmet <ronpguilmet@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PLUG] Wanted: volunteers with bandwidth, storage, coding
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I'm sure the Russians have a backup of our data. No worries ;)

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016, 11:38 AM Will <staticphantom@gmail.com> wrote:

> The archive of all the climate data I'm the US is not in jeopardy. Its
> data is analyzed for both economic and military strategies. If you want to
> see something interesting, watch the Navy freak out over the North West
> Passage opening up in addition to the geopolitical issues it raises.
>
> As long as climate can be viewed for both military and economic purposes
> then I do not see the climate data going anywhere. And of the smartest
> things Trump is pushing for is pulling all earth monitoring out of NASA and
> place the budget and people with NOAA. This single concentration should
> allow NOAA's mission with studying climate science with greater
> effectiveness and efficiency. The media has spun this out of proportion
> while ignoring the fact that NOAA and NASA has have satellite projects
> cancelled prior to launch costing the tax payers a lot without seeing the
> benefit of the money spent. Hopefully now we can restore our monitoring
> constellation which should also improve our models.
>
> Can we do ourselves a favor and stop the fear mongering given the election
> please? I didn't vote for the guy but I can't believe the crap I am seeing
> that just isn't true. There will be times to call for help collectively in
> the future becasue no congress is immune to oversight or lobby interests,
> but right now I wouldn't waste your efforts or do or say anything to hurt
> your credibility in the future. I'm glad people care and are listening but
> please do your homework and consider the sources.
>
> -Will C
>
> On Dec 17, 2016 11:23, "Charlie Li" <ml+PLUG@vishwin.info> wrote:
>
> On 17/12/16 11:08, Christopher Barry wrote:
> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 10:32:33 -0500
> > Rich Kulawiec wrote:
> >
> >> If you have an interest in preserving a lot of scientific research
> >> data:
> >>
> >> Scientists are frantically copying U.S. climate data, fearing
> >> it might vanish under Trump
> >>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/12/13/scientists-are-frantically-copying-u-s-climate-data-fearing-it-might-vanish-under-trump/
> >>
> > Does anyone /really/ think Trump would seize or delete their data?
> > That's seriously paranoid and weird. Why can't they just throw it up on
> > github or somewhere like that?
> >
> This has happened rather recently in Canada when Stephen Harper was
> Prime Minister (the PM immediately previous to Justin Trudeau). Except
> he did it by slashing budgets to government scientific institutions so
> they'd eventually shutter, and with shuttering comes inaccessibility of
> data.
>
> --
> Charlie Li
> Can't think of a witty .sigline today?
>
> (This email address is for mailing list use only;
> replace local-part with vishwin for off-list communication)
>
>
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