Keith C. Perry on 28 Feb 2017 18:08:17 -0800

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Re: [PLUG] Laptop recommendations

The other thing you can do is purchase an overstock or coming-off-lease model.  The depreciation won't be the full retail price but it will be close to or more than the Dell No-OS or Linux prices.  Micrometer tends to have a good selection every so often.

Unfortunately hardware manufacturers still think they need to bow to MS' demands.

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From: "Rich Mingin (PLUG)" <>
To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" <>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 4:16:41 PM
Subject: Re: [PLUG] Laptop recommendations

Of course it does. Every retail laptop will come bundled with Windows, unless you special order from Dell or order from System76/Penguin Computing/et al.
I was putting together a special order last year for a mobile workstation and the HP 'concierge' flatly denied me the option of ordering without an OS. Even after I explained that I wanted to put Linux on it, he first told me that Linux support was not offered, and then *ended the call* after accusing me of looking to pirate MS Windows.

Dell is alone in offering NoOS/Linux options on their computers, at least last I checked. If ordering a laptop without paying for Windows matters to you, it's Dell or a smaller OEM.

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 4:12 PM, K.S. Bhaskar <> wrote:
Looks like it comes with Windows 10, so there is a tax...

-- Bhaskar

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On Feb 28, 2017 2:16 PM, "K.S. Bhaskar" <> wrote:
Does purchasing that laptop involve payment of M$tax? I'm in the market for a laptop, but have a religious objection to paying M$taxes.

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On Feb 26, 2017 11:56 PM, <> wrote:
I just bought a new laptop last week.  I went with an MSI GE62 from Microcenter.  The version I got has a 15.6" screen, 16GB ram, and 1TB spinning disc, though they seem to have two different versions now.

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From: "Greg Helledy" <>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 12:35pm
Subject: [PLUG] Laptop recommendations

You might look at a Dell Inspiron.  There is the XPS 13 Developer
Edition, which is delivered with Ubuntu, but is just a bit over your
price range.

In addition, there is the Inspiron 7000-series 2-in-1 (where the
keyboard folds around back to make the unit more like a tablet),
available in 13", 15" and 17" screen sizes.  You can get the 13" with
touchscreen, a Core i7, 16 GB RAM and a 512 GB SSD for $1,100.  A year
ago I bought myself the 11" version, they were still making them with
enough power to be useful then.  If Ubuntu and its relatives work for
you, they are well-supported on Dells.

Greg Helledy
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