Re: [PLUG] Topic for North (cloud stuff)

[JP Vossen <jp@jpsdomain.org>]

On 02/05/2018 02:33 PM, Andy Wojnarek wrote:
> The lack of the console has always puzzled me – but they really make a 
> lot of effort into making sure that you’re managing your 
> business/infrastructure the ‘cloud way.’ Their whole shtick (and 
> reflected in their certs) is that EC2 should not be treated a colo where 
> you lift-and-shift workloads and forget about them. They express that if 
> you do everything the ‘cloud way’, and utilize their services, and 
> architect correctly – you reduce the amount of people and time you spend 
> on your infrastructure and more time on your business.

I don't know much about cloud stuff in general or AWS in particular, but 
it seems like there are 2 really high-level ways to use it/them.


There's a saying that "there is no such thing as the cloud, there is 
only someone else's data center."  And that's the first one, you are 
just renting VMs, and lots of infrastructure and management around them, 
in someone else's data center.

There are arguments that's a bad idea, for example:

http://www.backupcentral.com/addressing-spectre-meltdown-in-your-backup-system/ 
(emphasis his) [1]
	...taking a product designed for physical nodes in a datacenter and 
installing it in VMs in the cloud is a perfect example of how *not* to 
use the cloud.


The other way is to simply assemble "cloud" services into the thing you 
need, taking advantage of the scale and resiliency of the service and 
not simply running your own nodes someone else's data center.  The 
example of that which comes to mind is Troy Hunt's 
https://haveibeenpwned.com/ site, which is, I'm pretty sure, built in 
Azure without any "nodes" at all.  He'd detailed a lot about how that 
all works in his blog, here are 2 at least somewhat relevant posts but 
there are others I don't have time to search for right now:
* 
https://www.troyhunt.com/microsoft-flow-azure-storage-webjobs-outlook-email/
* 
https://www.troyhunt.com/one-million-subscribers-later-heres-the-state-of-have-i-been-pwned/


I'll repeat that I don't know much about cloud stuff, so maybe I'm all 
wrong, but this is at least a place to start.  And probably real life is 
some mix of both of those anyway.


So, fodder for discussion,
JP

[1] Backup Central is an interesting site by the guy who wrote the 
O'Reilly Backup book (which is very good).  He recently went to work for 
a cloud backup provider, so he's now somewhat more inclined to look at 
the cloud perspective.  But it's an interesting quote.

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