| Morgan Jones on 18 May 2018 10:22:05 -0700 |
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| Re: [PLUG] Linux friendly camera system |
You don’t do security on wireless just because it’s less secure? I get that. For me I have power in a lot more places than I have ethernet: this is a 100+ year old house with a variety of additions of a variety of ages: I had the foresight to run ethernet during the renovation but only to outlets not put through walls to server exterior cameras. I can pull power from outdoor fixtures and the like much more easily than I can pull ethernet from the basement. I hear what you’re saying though: PoE makes a ton of sense if the effort to pull it is equal or less than getting power there. -morgan > On May 18, 2018, at 12:46 PM, Keith C. Perry <kperry@daotechnologies.com> wrote: > > Morgan, > > Definitely circle back to this thread (or start another) when you have a feel for its performance / value / reliability. I would love to know. > > As a rule, I don't do wireless security on outer perimeters. Its a security protocol for me not performance point. For modern wireless networks (though I suspect, other than us technical folks, most people do not have a robust wireless home net) I would agree in theory. From the build point of view, unless you're doing a truly stand alone camera drop, you still need power. I'd much rather pull network cable than electrical cable :D > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > Keith C. Perry, MS E.E. > Managing Member, DAO Technologies LLC > (O) +1.215.525.4165 x2033 > (M) +1.215.432.5167 > www.daotechnologies.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Morgan Jones" <morgan@morganjones.org> > To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" <plug@lists.phillylinux.org> > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 12:34:37 PM > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Linux friendly camera system > > That is the model I have on the way. At the moment I’m thinking of using the cloud for exterior cameras since it’s essentially what you can see from the street anyway and if I do install interior cameras use an in-home dvr for those. We have a big house so will probably need 5 exterior cameras to cover everything which is the limit of yi’s basic cloud service anyway. > > With today’s super fast wireless I’m not sure I see the benefit of going wired. I may regret saying that but with solid wireless coverage I can’t imagine cameras will be much of a drain. I suppose if you record 24x7 they could be. > > -morgan > > >> On May 17, 2018, at 10:52 PM, Keith C. Perry <kperry@daotechnologies.com> wrote: >> >> This is something I've been torn on. I really only need something simple but until I discovered the motion software I was using a hand wrapped solution. The bigger problem, as you illustrate, are the cameras which is why I haven't expanded my system yet. >> >> Once you get past wireless, wired, PoE or non PoE concerns, you still have the storage and access concerns. >> >> I've been considering the Unifi Video system going forward (https://www.ubnt.com/products/#unifivideo) just to be done with it. In my case I don't want anything cloud related but this system can do that or run the cameras in stand alone mode. That is important since even though the cameras are not ONVIF compliant, they can still present a rtsp url which motion can use via my Pi or better yet, a more robust device like one of my fitlet NAS build. >> >> Unifi cams are more money but even if I get something like a TrendNET 4k cam, its still more that I was to spend. >> >> On the other side of the spectrum, I haven't confirmed any good cheaper cams that will be durable and stand up to the elements. I have heard some good things about Yi and this models looks interesting... >> >> https://www.amazon.com/YI-Security-Wireless-Waterproof-Surveillance/dp/B01CW49AGG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1526608715&sr=8-3&keywords=yi+outdoor+security+camera&dpID=41dApW94W9L&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch >> >> Not sure I want to have to "hack" these to support rtsp (or mjpeg streaming?) but the price is right so it might be worth talking the chance. >> >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> Keith C. Perry, MS E.E. >> Managing Member, DAO Technologies LLC >> (O) +1.215.525.4165 x2033 >> (M) +1.215.432.5167 >> www.daotechnologies.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Morgan Jones" <morgan@morganjones.org> >> To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" <plug@lists.phillylinux.org> >> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 5:19:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Linux friendly camera system >> >> Thanks everyone for the feedback. From the reading I did this is an awesome time to be playing with cameras: it seems like for all but the most specialized of needs a $40-$100 consumer grade camera has awesome features and with some exceptions all are standards compliant and plug right into the free Mac/PC/Linux DVRs >> >> I’m going to give an yi outdoor camera a try. They are not standards compliant out of the box but there are a few hacks out there. More important though they seem to have the most polished and affordable cloud service which realistically makes the most sense for us. My wife is non-technical so I’d like a plug and play app and I don’t have the time/energy to start another project. A friend who’s very smart but not technical has a pair in his house and likes them very much. >> >> https://ipcamtalk.com/threads/has-anyone-managed-to-set-up-xiaomi-yi-ip-camera-with-blue-iris.6566/ >> http://en.miui.com/thread-196713-1-1.html >> https://github.com/fritz-smh/yi-hack >> >> That third link disables the cloud service which isn’t ideal at the moment but long term might be okay. >> >> Here’s my logic fwiw: >> ARLO: proprietary, not inexpensive >> Foscom: pricey cloud service >> Reolink: not inexpensive, requires a separate DVR and their wireless DVR solution maxes out at 4 cameras >> Hikvision: no cloud service that I could see >> Dahua: no cloud >> >> -morgan >> >> >> >> >>> On May 15, 2018, at 1:08 PM, Morgan Jones <morgan@morganjones.org> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Does anyone run a camera system that is linux/unix friendly? >>> >>> Ideally I’d like it to be completely wireless and dump data to a NAS though I could make PoE work. I have a robust wireless network that should handle a few cameras pretty easily. >>> >>> Years ago I had Panasonic cameras that could be configured to dump still images to an ftp server when they sensed motion. That would be fine though it wouldn’t be bad to have proper DVR software. It need not be open source but I’d prefer to not be tied to a specific DVR vendor. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> -morgan >>> ___________________________________________________________________________ >>> Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org >>> Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >>> General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org >> Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org >> Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce >> General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug