Re: [PLUG] Change in Reply-To field of PLUG list on 7/14/2019...

[Walt Mankowski via plug <plug@lists.phillylinux.org>]

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 02:09:06PM -0500, Charlie Li via plug wrote:
> Fred Stluka via plug wrote:
> > I just noticed that the behavior of Reply-To changed on 7/14/2019.
> > 
> > Before that a reply went to the entire list by default.  Since that
> > date, the Reply-To field has been changed, so a reply goes only to
> > the original poster (OP).  You can see the transition clearly in the
> > archives, where the Reply-To field is shown for each message.
> > 
> > This may be related to the message (appended below) posted by
> > Walt on 7/7/2019, where he talks about making changes to the
> > list's email box.
> > 
> Yes, DMARC forced this hand. [0] I said this back then, my and others'
> posts to the list whose mail domains have DMARC enabled (looking at
> Yahoo in particular) will not have their posts distributed to every
> member with delivery enabled. On services/servers that enforce incoming
> DMARC, those posts are bounced, since the From domain does not align
> with where the message came from, which is the mailing list. There is no
> "good" way, that I've seen, to mitigate this. Reply-To is one way to
> preserve the email address of the poster.

It's a pain in the butt that they couldn't figure out a better way to
implement this. But then again, it was also a pain in the butt having
to resubscribe everyone when it happened.

> > I looked through my Sent folder and found a bunch of replies that
> > I had intended to send to the entire list in the past 18 months, that
> > only went to the OP.  I had caught and re-sent some of them at the
> > time because the OP noticed and asked why I had sent only to him,
> > not the entire list.  Or because I was surprised at the lack of replies
> > to my reply.
> > 
> This is actually an appropriate time to use the reply all button. Or, if
> you use Thunderbird, there is a reply list button that takes precedence
> of reply all. Just make sure to double-check your To headers regardless.

I disagree with that. I really dislike getting multiple replies to
half the things I post to the list. The ideal thing would be for email
clients to handle this properly. Sadly, I doubt that's ever going to happen.

> Walt Mankowski via plug wrote:
> > I find it a little annoying at times too, but I generally only reply
> > to the list from mutt which has some features to handle this. I'd be
> > open to changing it back, but I'd like to be sure I understand any
> > potential ramifications first.
> > 
> If changed back, a whole lot of folks who subscribe to this list using
> mail services that strictly enforce incoming DMARC will suffer from
> excessive enough bounces that they get unsubscribed again.
> 
> [0]
> https://dmarc.org/wiki/FAQ#I_operate_a_mailing_list_and_I_want_to_interoperate_with_DMARC.2C_what_should_I_do.3F

See, I knew if I waited a bit someone would explain what the problem
was. Thanks! :)

Walt

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