Kenny, Vale T on Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:00:56 -0500 (EST)

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RE: Elegant snippet from an overall excellent piece...

		While you are correct, for business, it does come down to
the almighty $, I think you are missing the perspective.  Put in simpler
terms, do you want to teach someone how to use a shovel, or train them to
operate a backhoe?  Whilst the shovel user will be useless in a backhoe, the
backhoe operator will be able to jump out of the backhoe and pick up a
shovel anytime.  
		I'd much rather have a staff of users that feel comfortable
moving about in a powerful environment, knowing they can perform some level
of basic analysis of a computer problem before turning to a support person.
Equally, these folks will more easily move down to simpler platforms, with
the confidence which arises from familiarity with a more powerful tool.
That is to say, UNIX users can use NT with relative ease, whereas NT users
are virtually helpless on a UNIX system.
		It all depends on your perspective.  Are you in for
immediate gratification, with limited return, or will you hold out for an
investment which will benefit you for the long term.  
		This concept is integral to the current difficulties we are
experiencing in American society.  We have a society built on immediate
gratification, which will lead to speedy returns, but the long term growth
is questionable.  We currently have the ability to perform almost any
technological feat we choose, but because of a desire to make money !NOW!,
we cripple our ability to develop higher, long term yields in the future.  
		Sorry, off on a tangent.  I see many parallels in the battle
between UNIX and NT and the rest of life.  Do you want the hot babe on your
arm now because she looks good now, or are you seeking someone who can
recite the first fourteen quatrains of "The Rubiyat of Omar Khayyam" and
will continue to blow your mind for years to come?  A question of
		Again, sorry for the lark.
		Do you understand my point though?  It is something that
UNIX has always known, IBM learned, and Micro$lop is about to learn.

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				-----Original Message-----
				From:	Bob Suchowierski
				Sent:	Friday, December 18, 1998 1:34 PM
				To:	Vale Kenny
				Subject:	Re: Elegant snippet from an
overall excellent piece...

			this is well put.  Our problem is however that most
organizations do not wish
			actually PAY for that mastery.  Winblows allows
organizations to hire
			who have less knowledge of systems (all those idiot
boxes) and therefore
			allows them to pay less money to those people.  In
the end, it all comes
			down to the all mighty dollar.  Until the Unix
systems reach a point where
			we can put a person infront of the box and tell them
that they are on their
			own, realizing the freedom is just a pipe dream. (in
my opinion).

			Bob Ski
			Stupid computer? No silly Stupid USER!

			Vale Kenny wrote:

			> Mastery of UNIX, like mastery of language, offers
real freedom. The
			> price of freedom is always dear, but there's no
substitute. Personally,
			> I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a
bitmapped, pop-up-happy
			> dungeon like NT. I'm hoping that as IT folks
become more seasoned and
			> less impressed by superficial convenience at the
expense of real
			> freedom, they will yearn for the kind of freedom
and responsibility UNIX
			> allows. When they do, UNIX will be there to fill
the need.
			> TWDT is at:
			> Peace Folks,
			> Vale
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