Tobias DiPasquale on 13 Sep 2004 12:09:02 -0000

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Re: [PLUG] Religious Questions

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On Sep 13, 2004, at 1:07 AM, sean finney wrote:
debian has more than apt going for it. how about one of the most active
user communities in the world, a completely transparent and open
development process, a *constitution and social contract*, a well
functioning bug management system, and a huge collection of freely
available software? stable is "balls slow" because it was designed
to be exactly that. if you want something faster moving, you can pull
what you want from testing when you need it. we've had this argument
in the past...

Yes, we have, but someone asked about it again. ;-)

Seriously, though, RH/SuSE have Bugzilla, too (and they work) and I would imagine that the only thing you mentioned above that RH and SuSE lack is the social contract. The development process is the same (just faster), RH has more software available than Debian and stable is __too__ slow IMO. Plus, you can't just pull what you want from testing, b/c that will almost invariably pull stuff that you do not want, as well (think libc dependency). And, finally, if you do decide to grab from testing, forget about security updates for those pieces of software (at least, from Debian itself).

In any case, my preferred distro is Gentoo. Its just that RH gets a bit of a bad rap from the tech cognoscenti and IMO its a little undeserved.

i won't argue that it isn't more complicated, but it makes for a more
robust packaging system. however, there are alternatives to having
to use dpkg for your own in-house software needs. if you're trying
to make custom packages to satisfy some kind of missing dependency,
use equivs. if you're just trying to make it easier to keep pre-compiled
software distributed among your servers, use stow and rsync.


in the us, you can find more people who use redhat because redhat does
a great job of marketing as well as providing a viable commercial
product which fits in well with a corporate ethos (the "user friendly"
installer is helpful too).  they actively engage proprietary vendors
to "certify" software for their platform, and provide "support".

as a result, more companies want people with redhat experience, and thus
more people get redhat training/certification. this has nothing to do
with technical superiority or higher quality of their product, just
a better mind/market share.

Yeah, those are good points and emminently true. I was just saying you could find more people, not why.

i highly recommend postfix.  better security record than sendmail,
and much easier to configure too.  so, we seem to agree on at least
something :)

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day! :)

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