Bob Schwier on 4 Mar 2005 22:03:12 -0000 |
Thanks. This seems the most complete answer to my request. I at least now know the questions to ask the nice people from Cavalier. bs On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, William H. Magill wrote: > On 02 Mar, 2005, at 10:45, Eugene Smiley wrote: > > William H. Magill wrote: > >> Verizon and Speakeasy are both reselling the same Verizon local > >> loop. > >> > >> Cavalier, however, is a CLEC, and it "owns" that last mile, not > >> Verizon. (It's a legal thing, not physical, but it is a completely > >> different setup than Speakeasy simply buying and reselling a > >> Verizon DSL loop.) > > > > Ok. I guess I'm confused. When I had my line provisioned, it was a > > Verizon line tech who came out to "install" the the line at the NID. > > What you're saying is that Verizon is selling instead of renting the > > loops to Cavalier? > > Yes... Although it's probably more like a commercial lease than either > renting > or selling. The whole process is controlled by FCC/PUC definitions. > > As I understand the rate process, when a CLEC takes control of a line, > the line becomes theirs, Verizon no longer has any control or "access" > to > the line. > > If there is a wire problem, the CLEC must contact Verizon, and pay > Verizon to "roll the truck." > > The difference is that Speakeasy is paying Verizion to provide a working > DSL line (which they pay for at a bulk rate) whereas Cavalier is simply > paying for "dry-copper." Note that this is the same setup that Covad > uses > ... COVAD "buys" a "dry-copper" pair from Verizon. Verizon installs the > copper (which has no dial-tone), then COVAD installs the DSL. > > Another way to look at it is that in the CO, the "dry-copper" line > connects > directly to the CLEC's equipment, bypassing all Verizon equipment. > Whereas Speakeasy is simply getting a data feed off the back-side of > Verizon's DSLAM. The CLEC equipment provides your dial-tone not > Verizon's. > > T.T.F.N. > William H. Magill > # Beige G3 [Rev A motherboard - 300 MHz 768 Meg] OS X 10.2.8 > # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) [800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg] OS X 10.3.8 > # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg] Tru64 5.1a > # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-3 (EV6) - 256 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 > # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-A (EV 6.7) - 384 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 > magill@mcgillsociety.org > magill@acm.org > magill@mac.com > whmagill@gmail.com > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
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