Sonny To on 17 Oct 2007 23:02:31 -0000 |
On 10/17/07, John Von Essen <john@essenz.com> wrote: > > Consider the following.... > > Do you like spending $30 per month for 5Mbps of internet connectivity? > > Or is that too high? > > > Maybe Verizon should give you 100Mbps for $5 per month? Is that better? Oh, > and you can run MTA's and malicious spambots behind it? > > My sarcasm is to illustrate a point. US telecoms and broadband access > providers go to GREAT measures to provide high speed access at competitive > prices. All they ask is that you behave like a user - and "users" dont run > mail servers. There is a reason why that 5Mbps of traffic is priced at a > unrealistic low price. The reason is your behavior is strictly viewed as an > end-user. unrealistic low price? that's bs... I lived in shanghai for 2yrs and I was getting FTTB (fiber to the building) 10mbps for about $10/month no port blocking. you can argue china has a lower cost, but look at south korea which has cost structure similar to the west... you can get 100mps to your home for something like $20/month. once the infrastructure is in place the marginal cost of providing service is low. > > Admins who maintain mail servers which handle millions of messages a day can > easily comment on the unbelievable amount of spam generated from MTAs behind > residential high-speed connections (as much as 20% of total email volume). > To say using a DUL blacklist is just an anal admin being an ass is not a > fair assessment. > > > You know its funny. For a long time ISP's did little to no abuse monitoring, > and as a result they sort of created alot of the Spam problems. Now that > ISP's are curbing abuse via tactics like port 25 blocking, outbound mail > filtering, or advertising their dynamic IP space to public DUL lists, > instead of being applauded - they are criticized. And to be honest, the > people doing the criticizing are in the minority. > > -John > > > On Oct 17, 2007, at 4:37 PM, zuzu wrote: > > On 10/17/07, Matt Ayres <matta@tektonic.net> wrote: > zuzu wrote: > > without citing artificial restrictions, _bandwidth is bandwidth_. > really you're paying purely for Mbps with several "nines" of > availability, that's it. > > > If bandwidth is bandwidth then Verizon should just give everyone a > 100/1000Mbit port and charge them 95th % usage on their circuit based on > a $/Mbit price that is based on how much they will commit to (ranging > from $30-125/Mbit). This is method how hosting companies pay for > transit. If this is how it worked for the consumer it'd be like going > back to paying per minute on the telephone and would reduce peoples time > spent online. > > you're assuming that the cost of bandwidth is fixed, when competition > usually correlates to falling prices for all commodities -- bandwidth > included. > > the problem with overbooking as a business model is alot like what > airlines have floundered with -- that seats are really commodities, > but the businesses want to fool people with phony differentiations > into thinking they're not, because they don't want to compete purely > on price/performance. > > or simply put, "last mile" ISPs dug their own graves with overbooking > (aka underprovisioning) (on the heels of AOL) and now are suffering > because it's unsustainable. this is where I lose my sympathy and > those businesses should fail and better businesses would take their > place. > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > John Von Essen (john@essenz.com) > > President, Essenz Consulting www.essenz.com > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
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