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Re: [PLUG] Why Virtualize?
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Oops, forgot about netaxs changes.
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On Sat, 28 Jun 2008, schwepes@moog.netaxs.com wrote:
> If you were Jewish Orthodox, the gas prices would be zip as you would be
> expected to walk to services.
> A congregation only requires eleven good men to function. This would only
> be a problem in the rural areas of the United States where farms are
> several hundred acres apiece.
> Anyway, on another point here, coal needs cleaning technology due to acid
> rain that has only been partially and grudgingly implemented. Nuclear
> energy needs a breeder potential to deal with the ultimate waste problem
> which also creates a terrorist target problem.
> Coal has gotten more expensive as China is buying.
> bs
>
>
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008, Glenn Kelley wrote:
>
> > Off Topic - but close enough
> > A friend of mine just wrote a blog post about the gasoline driven church
> > Those numbers however do make me think about what it would be like if
> > all employers that could would allow people to work from home...
> >
> > Never mind the price of parking in the city...
> > From flowerdust.net --->
> >
> > *Say 3000 people attend your church.
> >
> > *Average family of four equals 750 vehicles.
> >
> > * Average fuel economy: 26mpg?but we?ll assume 20mpg for in-town
> > driving, SUV?s, idling, etc.
> >
> > *Average miles to place of worship? We?ll assume 15 round trip.
> > Conservative.
> >
> > That?s 750 vehicles traveling 15 miles, divided by 20 mpg: 562.5
> > total gallons for fuel burned.
> >
> > At 4 dollars per gallon, that?s $2,250 dollars per week. or
> > $117,000 per year for the congregation.
> >
> > puts a whole new spin on the ?consumerist? mindset, huh?
> >
> > based on those numbers, it seems like it would cost the average
> > american church-going family $3/week or $156/year to drive to church.
> >
> > i realize megachurches are the minority, so you here?s the math?(and
> > yes, my head hurts from trying to figure this all out!)
> >
> > church of 100: $3,900
> >
> > church of 250: $9,750
> >
> > church of 500: $19,500
> >
> > church of 1000: $39,000
> >
> > and for kicks, i thought i?d do lakewood church?since i have been on a
> > joel osteen kick and all.
> >
> > church of 40,000: $1,560,000
> >
> > just to drive to church?
> > On Jun 23, 2008, at 2:35 PM, Art Alexion wrote:
> >
> > > On Monday 23 June 2008 11:24:32 am Sean C. Sheridan wrote:
> > >>> Mind you, that doesn't include operating costs, and with gas prices
> > >>> increasing, can electricity costs be far behind?
> > >>
> > >> We get roughly 1/3 of our electricity from coal which we have in
> > >> abundance
> > >> and is not getting more expensive.
> > >
> > > Not expensive now, but as the price of oil increases, the demand
> > > pressure will
> > > be on coal as well. If the demand to replace petroleum with ethanol
> > > drives
> > > up the price of corn and other crops, how can coal be immune?
> > >
> > >
> > >> The second third, roughly, comes from
> > >> nuclear ("nukular", if you are a fan of Bush&co.).
> > >
> > > An infrastructure that has been halted since TMI in 1979. Assuming
> > > we get a
> > > third from this source, it can't increase because there is no extra
> > > capacity.
> > >
> > >
> > >> So while natural gas
> > >> prices *may* rise, it won't have the impact many fear.
> > >
> > > Yes, and the economy must be good because people are still buying
> > > tickets to
> > > baseball games....
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Besides, the oil bubble is going to pop and energy will be
> > >> affordable once
> > >> again.
> > >
> > > I've lived through a few of these since the 1973 Embargo, and while
> > > they tend
> > > to ebb and flow, they leave the landscape changed as they do.
> > >
> > > While Japanese cars really started to overtake Detroit due to quality
> > > comparisons in the 1980s, they got their footload in the two oil
> > > crises of
> > > the 1970s. Huge strides were made in energy efficiency, but cheap
> > > gas in the
> > > 1990s diverted the gains into greater power for small cars (at the
> > > expense of
> > > fuel efficiency) and the surge in SUVs.
> > >
> > > These things leave their scars, some attractive, others ugly, even
> > > when they
> > > are perceived to run their course. One thing different this time
> > > around is
> > > the damand from China and India.
> > >
> > > Truck prices are down, SUV sales are dead, Scooter sales are up.
> > > Increases in
> > > SEPTA ridership have exceeded rolling stock capacity, so they are just
> > > running the same trains more often. We decided that it was a good
> > > time to
> > > virtualize.
> > >
> > > If prices do stabilize, some people will continue to ride SEPTA, and
> > > we'll
> > > still be virtualized.
> > >
> > >
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