George Zipperlen on 14 Sep 2016 11:49:52 -0700 |
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Re: [PLUG] Replacement mailing list idea |
DIY all the way. Google stability? 1) Less and less of the old DejaNews seems available each time I search. End up going back to my own very incomplete saved archives. 2). I dumped Chrome browser the day it upgraded itself and wiped out all my plugins, extensions and personalizations, with no path back. Different (can of worms) example: SourceForge. George Zipperlen Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 14, 2016, at 2:21 PM, Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org> wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 01:53:33PM -0400, K.S. Bhaskar wrote: >> I realize PLUG is for do-it-yourself-ers, but why not set up a Google Group >> (or a Yahoo Group, or???). It's less work, we're not dependent on an >> individual, and searching past discussions is easier. > > Because both are poorly run, because Yahoo's future as a corporation is > highly questionable (as is Yahoo Groups: look at what they just did to > Yahoo IM with less than two months' warning), because Google is famous > for being completely unresponsive to requests for support or help, > because Google Groups has a longstanding and serious spam problem, > and because exporting your data from them isn't easy. (Try getting a > complete copy of your Yahoo Group in *any* format, let alone one that's > an open standard like "mbox". Or try getting any kind of useful response > from mandatory RFC 2142 role addresses at Google.) > > As to search, you can use any search engine you want on any public > mailing list archive, since all of them are indexed; or you can simply > keep a local mirror and use the search of your choice (which is what I > do: sometimes that's "grepmail", which is an overlooked but surprising > powerful tool, and sometimes that's Solr). > > Also note that Mailman 3.X has some pretty good search capabilities of > its own, so that's eventually coming down the road. It's also moving > in the direction of integration between mailing lists and Usenet newsgroups > (already well-supported) and web-based discussion forums (newly there). > > A larger solution for this would be to have various LUGs federate and > migrate their lists to a single operation, which would provide economies > of scale and make it easier for smaller LUGs to have the same quality > service as larger ones. It'd have to be done carefully in order to > avoid creating single-point-of-failure issues, but it really could be > done without too much fuss because no individual LUG's lists have all > that many members or all that much traffic. > > ---rsk > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug