Re: [PLUG] plug Digest, Vol 149, Issue 4 (password managers)

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Password Mangers (Aaron Thomas)
2. Re: Password managers (JP Vossen)
3. Re: Password managers (JP Vossen)
4. Canonical dropping Unity (JP Vossen)
5. Re: Canonical dropping Unity (Keith C. Perry)
6. Re: Canonical dropping Unity (K.S. Bhaskar)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 15:58:34 -0400
From: Aaron Thomas <aaron_plug@aptprojects.net>
To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List
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Subject: Re: [PLUG] Password Mangers
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Just last weekend I switched from KeePassX to KeePassXC and I am really
liking XC. It feels more like the Windows KeePass experience, much
cleaner and less glitchy. No problems to note so far on Ubuntu 16...

Aaron

On 04/05/2017 12:56 PM, Ronaldo Nascimento wrote:
> There are so many versions of KeePass, and there are a few native
> Linux ones too.
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 11:52 AM, JP Vossen <jp@jpsdomain.org
> <mailto:jp@jpsdomain.org>> wrote:
>
> I tried one of the "KeePass" Linux versions a few months ago, I'm
> not 100% sure which one. KeePass is .Net, which means Mono on
> Linux, and while you can make arguments both ways I don't really
> want Mono installed.
>
> I found that version exceptionally ugly, and uninstalled all of it.
>
> I use PasswordSafe, which was originally Windows but has been in
> Linux beta for years now, and has even made it into the Mint18
> repos. It is less cross-platform than some, but it works for me.
>
> While I get the convenience of the various on-line and
> in-the-cloud tools, I'd personally never use one in a million
> years. I'd never use the "automated" ones either. PasswordSafe
> can do an "auto-type" but otherwise it's purely manual, and I like
> it like that.
>
>
> On 04/05/2017 11:18 AM, Ronaldo Nascimento wrote:
>
> I meant to add for : https://keepassxc.org/
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Ronaldo Nascimento
> <sgtnasty@gmail.com <mailto:sgtnasty@gmail.com>
> <mailto:sgtnasty@gmail.com <mailto:sgtnasty@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
> Anyone try the unoficcial Debian packages?
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 10:23 AM, K.S. Bhaskar
> <bhaskar@bhaskars.com <mailto:bhaskar@bhaskars.com>
> <mailto:bhaskar@bhaskars.com
> <mailto:bhaskar@bhaskars.com>>> wrote:
>
> +1
>
> On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 1:31 PM, JP Vossen
> <jp@jpsdomain.org <mailto:jp@jpsdomain.org>
> <mailto:jp@jpsdomain.org <mailto:jp@jpsdomain.org>>>
> wrote:
>
> Well written and well reasoned discussion on the
> value of
> using a password manager:
> https://www.troyhunt.com/password-managers-dont-have-to-be-perfect-they-just-have-to-be-better-than-not-having-one/
> <https://www.troyhunt.com/password-managers-dont-have-to-be-perfect-they-just-have-to-be-better-than-not-having-one/>
>
> <https://www.troyhunt.com/password-managers-dont-have-to-be-perfect-they-just-have-to-be-better-than-not-having-one/
> <https://www.troyhunt.com/password-managers-dont-have-to-be-perfect-they-just-have-to-be-better-than-not-having-one/>>
>
>
> Later,
> JP
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 20:51:51 -0400
From: JP Vossen <jp@jpsdomain.org>
To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List
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Subject: Re: [PLUG] Password managers
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On 04/05/2017 01:06 PM, jvoris@axs2000.net wrote:
> This may be a little off-subject
>
> I just had a discussion on the topic of passwords on another listserv,
> and this cartoon makes a valid point that Password Rules on a 10A
> password are just not as good as a plain 128 character password.
>
> https://xkcd.com/936/

DAMN! Now I have to go change the password on my luggage!

Later,
JP
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 21:00:27 -0400
From: JP Vossen <jp@jpsdomain.org>
To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List
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Subject: Re: [PLUG] Password managers
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On 04/05/2017 08:51 PM, JP Vossen wrote:
> On 04/05/2017 01:06 PM, jvoris@axs2000.net wrote:
>> This may be a little off-subject
>>
>> I just had a discussion on the topic of passwords on another listserv,
>> and this cartoon makes a valid point that Password Rules on a 10A
>> password are just not as good as a plain 128 character password.
>>
>> https://xkcd.com/936/
>
> DAMN! Now I have to go change the password on my luggage!

Topical: https://xkcd.com/1820/

Later,
JP
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 21:10:13 -0400
From: JP Vossen <jp@jpsdomain.org>
To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List
<plug@lists.phillylinux.org>
Subject: [PLUG] Canonical dropping Unity
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http://www.jonobacon.com/2017/04/05/canonical-refocus/

https://linux.slashdot.org/story/17/04/05/1812232/canonical-killing-unity-for-ubuntu-linux-will-switch-to-the-superior-gnome
Canonical Killing Unity For Ubuntu Linux, Will Switch To the Superior GNOME
Section Department
Filed under gnome
Author msmash
Reader BrianFagioli writes: Today, the company admits that it is
throwing in the towel on Unity, as well as its vision for convergence
with devices like phones and tablets. Starting with Ubuntu 18.04, the
wonderful GNOME will once again become the default desktop environment!
"We are wrapping up an excellent quarter and an excellent year for the
company, with performance in many teams and products that we can be
proud of. As we head into the new fiscal year, it's appropriate to
reassess each of our initiatives. I'm writing to let you know that we
will end our investment in Unity8, the phone and convergence shell. We
will shift our default Ubuntu desktop back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04
LTS," says Mark Shuttleworth, Founder of Ubuntu and Canonical.

----

I have mixed feelings on that. I never loved Unity, but Unity worked
well on small wide-screens (like my Mini9). It used too many resources,
but the concept of using the wasted space on the sides, combining the
title and menu bars, and such was great.

Also, way back when I loved Gnome2. It just felt right, usable, clean,
clear and sensible. Then they sent it right down the toilet with all
the "simplification" mis-features in Gnome3, and now I find it utterly
useless and worthless and I'd personally certainly never call it "superior."

So I'm a little sad to see Unity go, and really surprised that Canonical
will downgrade to Gnome instead of moving to something like Cinnamon,
which I really, really love.

I'm sure we'll hear more in the coming days, but...it's interesting.

Later,
JP
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 01:17:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Keith C. Perry" <kperry@daotechnologies.com>
To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List
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Subject: Re: [PLUG] Canonical dropping Unity
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I primarily use KDE and LXDE but every so often I do run my Ubuntu Live CD with either the MATE or GNOME variants. GNOME grow on me after having to run Fedora for awhile so I even put Ubuntu GNOME on my Chromebook.

While I do like it more than Unity, Cinnamon or MATE would have been a better choice.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "JP Vossen" <jp@jpsdomain.org>
To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" <plug@lists.phillylinux.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 9:10:13 PM
Subject: [PLUG] Canonical dropping Unity

http://www.jonobacon.com/2017/04/05/canonical-refocus/

https://linux.slashdot.org/story/17/04/05/1812232/canonical-killing-unity-for-ubuntu-linux-will-switch-to-the-superior-gnome
Canonical Killing Unity For Ubuntu Linux, Will Switch To the Superior GNOME
Section Department
Filed under gnome
Author msmash
Reader BrianFagioli writes: Today, the company admits that it is
throwing in the towel on Unity, as well as its vision for convergence
with devices like phones and tablets. Starting with Ubuntu 18.04, the
wonderful GNOME will once again become the default desktop environment!
"We are wrapping up an excellent quarter and an excellent year for the
company, with performance in many teams and products that we can be
proud of. As we head into the new fiscal year, it's appropriate to
reassess each of our initiatives. I'm writing to let you know that we
will end our investment in Unity8, the phone and convergence shell. We
will shift our default Ubuntu desktop back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04
LTS," says Mark Shuttleworth, Founder of Ubuntu and Canonical.

----

I have mixed feelings on that. I never loved Unity, but Unity worked
well on small wide-screens (like my Mini9). It used too many resources,
but the concept of using the wasted space on the sides, combining the
title and menu bars, and such was great.

Also, way back when I loved Gnome2. It just felt right, usable, clean,
clear and sensible. Then they sent it right down the toilet with all
the "simplification" mis-features in Gnome3, and now I find it utterly
useless and worthless and I'd personally certainly never call it "superior."

So I'm a little sad to see Unity go, and really surprised that Canonical
will downgrade to Gnome instead of moving to something like Cinnamon,
which I really, really love.

I'm sure we'll hear more in the coming days, but...it's interesting.

Later,
JP
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 10:34:54 -0400
From: "K.S. Bhaskar" <bhaskar@bhaskars.com>
To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List"
<plug@lists.phillylinux.org>
Subject: Re: [PLUG] Canonical dropping Unity
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Yes, I've been using Cinnamon and loving it (I'm an ex Plasma/Lubuntu
user). FWIW, I find the Lubuntu Netbook to be a very usable interface on
machines with small screens.

-- Bhaskar

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:10 PM, JP Vossen <jp@jpsdomain.org> wrote:

> http://www.jonobacon.com/2017/04/05/canonical-refocus/
>
> https://linux.slashdot.org/story/17/04/05/1812232/canonical-
> killing-unity-for-ubuntu-linux-will-switch-to-the-superior-gnome
> Canonical Killing Unity For Ubuntu Linux, Will Switch To the Superior GNOME
> Section Department
> Filed under gnome
> Author msmash
> Reader BrianFagioli writes: Today, the company admits that it is throwing
> in the towel on Unity, as well as its vision for convergence with devices
> like phones and tablets. Starting with Ubuntu 18.04, the wonderful GNOME
> will once again become the default desktop environment! "We are wrapping up
> an excellent quarter and an excellent year for the company, with
> performance in many teams and products that we can be proud of. As we head
> into the new fiscal year, it's appropriate to reassess each of our
> initiatives. I'm writing to let you know that we will end our investment in
> Unity8, the phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu
> desktop back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS," says Mark Shuttleworth,
> Founder of Ubuntu and Canonical.
>
> ----
>
> I have mixed feelings on that. I never loved Unity, but Unity worked well
> on small wide-screens (like my Mini9). It used too many resources, but the
> concept of using the wasted space on the sides, combining the title and
> menu bars, and such was great.
>
> Also, way back when I loved Gnome2. It just felt right, usable, clean,
> clear and sensible. Then they sent it right down the toilet with all the
> "simplification" mis-features in Gnome3, and now I find it utterly useless
> and worthless and I'd personally certainly never call it "superior."
>
> So I'm a little sad to see Unity go, and really surprised that Canonical
> will downgrade to Gnome instead of moving to something like Cinnamon, which
> I really, really love.
>
> I'm sure we'll hear more in the coming days, but...it's interesting.
>
> Later,
> JP
> -- -------------------------------------------------------------------
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