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Re: [PLUG] plug Digest, Vol 149, Issue 6 (idc about unity, sad about convergence)

I've never been a big fan of either gnome or unity. They tend to be resource heavy.

However, I'm very sad to see the idea of convergence die. 

I was really hoping that phone manufacturers would jump onboard.

I would live to be able to have my phone double as a full Linux desktop when connected to a monitor and keyboard.

MaruOS does exactly this and is pretty awesome, but it only supports the nexus 5 which is dated and has awful battery life.


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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Canonical dropping Unity (Matt Mossholder)
2. Re: Canonical dropping Unity (Rachel Rawlings)
3. Re: Canonical dropping Unity (Rich Freeman)
4. Re: Canonical dropping Unity (JP Vossen)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 11:26:30 -0400
From: Matt Mossholder <matt@mossholder.com>
To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List"
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Subject: Re: [PLUG] Canonical dropping Unity
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On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 10:34 AM, K.S. Bhaskar <bhaskar@bhaskars.com> wrote:

> Yes, I've been using Cinnamon and loving it (I'm an ex Plasma/Lubuntu
> user). FWIW, I find the Lubuntu Netbook to be a very usable interface on
> machines with small screens.
>
> -- Bhaskar
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:10 PM, JP Vossen <jp@jpsdomain.org> wrote:
>
>> http://www.jonobacon.com/2017/04/05/canonical-refocus/
>>
>> https://linux.slashdot.org/story/17/04/05/1812232/canonical-
>> killing-unity-for-ubuntu-linux-will-switch-to-the-superior-gnome
>> Canonical Killing Unity For Ubuntu Linux, Will Switch To the Superior
>> GNOME
>> Section Department
>> Filed under gnome
>> Author msmash
>> Reader BrianFagioli writes: Today, the company admits that it is throwing
>> in the towel on Unity, as well as its vision for convergence with devices
>> like phones and tablets. Starting with Ubuntu 18.04, the wonderful GNOME
>> will once again become the default desktop environment! "We are wrapping up
>> an excellent quarter and an excellent year for the company, with
>> performance in many teams and products that we can be proud of. As we head
>> into the new fiscal year, it's appropriate to reassess each of our
>> initiatives. I'm writing to let you know that we will end our investment in
>> Unity8, the phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu
>> desktop back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS," says Mark Shuttleworth,
>> Founder of Ubuntu and Canonical.
>>
>> ----
>>
>> I have mixed feelings on that. I never loved Unity, but Unity worked
>> well on small wide-screens (like my Mini9). It used too many resources,
>> but the concept of using the wasted space on the sides, combining the title
>> and menu bars, and such was great.
>>
>> Also, way back when I loved Gnome2. It just felt right, usable, clean,
>> clear and sensible. Then they sent it right down the toilet with all the
>> "simplification" mis-features in Gnome3, and now I find it utterly useless
>> and worthless and I'd personally certainly never call it "superior."
>>
>> So I'm a little sad to see Unity go, and really surprised that Canonical
>> will downgrade to Gnome instead of moving to something like Cinnamon, which
>> I really, really love.
>>
>> I'm sure we'll hear more in the coming days, but...it's interesting.
>>
>> Later,
>> JP
>>
>

All I have to say is "Ding, dong, the witch is dead". When Unity moved the
window controls (close, max,min) to the upper left to the upper right, and
I accidentally closed windows due to the proximity to other controls, that
was when I stopped using Ubuntu and moved to alternatives.

What an awful idea, putting non-destructive controls (like the application
menu and dock) right next to destructive controls (like "close window").

--Matt
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 11:51:56 -0400
From: Rachel Rawlings <rachelneko@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PLUG] Canonical dropping Unity
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I'm going to miss it, actually. But I've gotten used to Gnome3 on my Fedora
box at work, and it's not hard to move between the two once you tweak the
kb shortcuts.

The best thing coming from this is Ubuntu no longer trying to be the Apple
of the Linux world and doing more things that will cross-pollenate. I was
interested to see what would come of Mir vs Wayland, but (shrug).

Penth

On Apr 6, 2017 11:26 AM, "Matt Mossholder" <matt@mossholder.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 10:34 AM, K.S. Bhaskar <bhaskar@bhaskars.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I've been using Cinnamon and loving it (I'm an ex Plasma/Lubuntu
>> user). FWIW, I find the Lubuntu Netbook to be a very usable interface on
>> machines with small screens.
>>
>> -- Bhaskar
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:10 PM, JP Vossen <jp@jpsdomain.org> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.jonobacon.com/2017/04/05/canonical-refocus/
>>>
>>> https://linux.slashdot.org/story/17/04/05/1812232/canonical-
>>> killing-unity-for-ubuntu-linux-will-switch-to-the-superior-gnome
>>> Canonical Killing Unity For Ubuntu Linux, Will Switch To the Superior
>>> GNOME
>>> Section Department
>>> Filed under gnome
>>> Author msmash
>>> Reader BrianFagioli writes: Today, the company admits that it is
>>> throwing in the towel on Unity, as well as its vision for convergence with
>>> devices like phones and tablets. Starting with Ubuntu 18.04, the wonderful
>>> GNOME will once again become the default desktop environment! "We are
>>> wrapping up an excellent quarter and an excellent year for the company,
>>> with performance in many teams and products that we can be proud of. As we
>>> head into the new fiscal year, it's appropriate to reassess each of our
>>> initiatives. I'm writing to let you know that we will end our investment in
>>> Unity8, the phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu
>>> desktop back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS," says Mark Shuttleworth,
>>> Founder of Ubuntu and Canonical.
>>>
>>> ----
>>>
>>> I have mixed feelings on that. I never loved Unity, but Unity worked
>>> well on small wide-screens (like my Mini9). It used too many resources,
>>> but the concept of using the wasted space on the sides, combining the title
>>> and menu bars, and such was great.
>>>
>>> Also, way back when I loved Gnome2. It just felt right, usable, clean,
>>> clear and sensible. Then they sent it right down the toilet with all the
>>> "simplification" mis-features in Gnome3, and now I find it utterly useless
>>> and worthless and I'd personally certainly never call it "superior."
>>>
>>> So I'm a little sad to see Unity go, and really surprised that Canonical
>>> will downgrade to Gnome instead of moving to something like Cinnamon, which
>>> I really, really love.
>>>
>>> I'm sure we'll hear more in the coming days, but...it's interesting.
>>>
>>> Later,
>>> JP
>>>
>>
>
> All I have to say is "Ding, dong, the witch is dead". When Unity moved the
> window controls (close, max,min) to the upper left to the upper right, and
> I accidentally closed windows due to the proximity to other controls, that
> was when I stopped using Ubuntu and moved to alternatives.
>
> What an awful idea, putting non-destructive controls (like the application
> menu and dock) right next to destructive controls (like "close window").
>
> --Matt
>
>
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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 12:02:27 -0400
From: Rich Freeman <r-plug@thefreemanclan.net>
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Subject: Re: [PLUG] Canonical dropping Unity
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On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 10:34 AM, K.S. Bhaskar <bhaskar@bhaskars.com> wrote:
> Yes, I've been using Cinnamon and loving it (I'm an ex Plasma/Lubuntu user).
> FWIW, I find the Lubuntu Netbook to be a very usable interface on machines
> with small screens.

Out of curiosity, what is it that people prefer about Cinnamon or
Gnome compared to Plasma? Or is it just that so few distros seem to
go the KDE way? I've never really liked Gnome all that much, but I'll
admit I've been primarily using KDE for quite a long time.

--
Rich


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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 12:12:26 -0400
From: JP Vossen <jp@jpsdomain.org>
To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List
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Subject: Re: [PLUG] Canonical dropping Unity
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On 04/06/2017 12:02 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 10:34 AM, K.S. Bhaskar <bhaskar@bhaskars.com> wrote:
>> Yes, I've been using Cinnamon and loving it (I'm an ex Plasma/Lubuntu user).
>> FWIW, I find the Lubuntu Netbook to be a very usable interface on machines
>> with small screens.
>
> Out of curiosity, what is it that people prefer about Cinnamon or
> Gnome compared to Plasma? Or is it just that so few distros seem to
> go the KDE way? I've never really liked Gnome all that much, but I'll
> admit I've been primarily using KDE for quite a long time.

I have to admit I haven't used KDE in many years, but when it tried it
it was: OMG my eyes are bleeding, make it stop! There is too much going
on and too many things to configure (I know, the opposite of my whining
about Gnome3).

Cinnamon is just there, and it works and it's subtly feature-full but it
stays out of my way. I should note that the Mint18 LXDE is *almost* as
nice but requires *significantly* fewer resources.

That 10y/o Mini9 I talked about really struggled to run Unity, but it
runs Mint18 LXDE *really* well.

Mint & Cinnamon are also basically a drop-in replacement for Windows
(esp. XP), and while some may consider that a bug, it's been a great
feature for some of my family users I've switched.

Later,
JP
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