Re: [PLUG] COBOL again

[JP Vossen <jp@jpsdomain.org>]

Ha.  Thanks!

But you forgot "what a shell?"  ;-)


On 09/26/2018 01:14 PM, Keith C. Perry wrote:
> Well more specifically pets *versus* cattle...
>
> Thanks for the reference too.  I first heard it from you, so I've been giving you the credit...
>
> ...then I plug the bash book...
>
>                                        "Wait, what's bash?"
>
>                "It's a Linux shell"
>
>                                         "OH, yea, I've heard of Linux"
>
>           "Great!  If you want
>            to learn more about
>            working with Linux,
>            the Bash Cookbook is
>            a good reference to
>            have"
>
> (see, there's a method  :D )
>
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> Keith C. Perry, MS E.E.
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JP Vossen" <jp@jpsdomain.org>
> To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" <plug@lists.phillylinux.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 1:04:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [PLUG] COBOL again
>
> "Cattle, not pets" wasn't me, I just like it.
> https://devops.stackexchange.com/questions/653/what-is-the-definition-of-cattle-not-pets
>
> On 09/26/2018 12:55 PM, Keith C. Perry wrote:
> > Not so random JP...  I brought up Walt's point about 2 million **new** lines of COBOL code a year at a conference I gave a talk at last week.
> >
> > There were some former COBOL folks in the room that smiled.
> >
> > I also used your "pets and cattle" analogy elsewhere in cloud conversations- that one was very well received :D
> >
> > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
> > Keith C. Perry, MS E.E.
> > Managing Member, DAO Technologies LLC
> > (O) +1.215.525.4165 x2033
> > (M) +1.215.432.5167
> > www.daotechnologies.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "JP Vossen" <jp@jpsdomain.org>
> > To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" <plug@lists.phillylinux.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 5:09:52 PM
> > Subject: [PLUG] COBOL again
> >
> > We've talked about this a few times, especially after one of Walt's
> > COBOL talks:
> > https://developers.slashdot.org/story/18/09/25/1759250/do-you-know-cobol-if-so-there-might-be-a-job-for-you
> >
> > I just started wondering about this though, just because the language is
> > Cobol doesn't mean modern techniques can't be used.  Can you do this
> > remote?  Is the code in Git?  Can there be unit tests, CI, and all of
> > that good stuff?  COBOL linters?
> >
> > Wow:
> > * https://github.com/tollofsen/linter-cobc
> > * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tools_for_static_code_analysis
> >
> > What Cobol is even used?  The Mint repos have "Open COBOL" but that
> > "translates COBOL into C and compiles the translated code using GCC"
> > which feels like cheating.  Presumably production is IBM COBOL or
> > related, so I wonder how close the two are.  I'm gonna go out on a limb
> > and say that a Linux test/dev system would be a tad cheaper than a
> > Z-series...
> >
> > Huh, it doesn't seem like there are a lot of options:
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compilers#COBOL_compilers
> >
> > There are lots of books on Amazon (including, seriously, _COBOL for
> > Dummies_) but many seem out of print or insanely expensive (or both).
> >
> > Has anyone done this or checked the job boards for COBOL?


Later,
JP
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