| Keith C. Perry on 26 Sep 2018 11:35:04 -0700 |
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| Re: [PLUG] COBOL again |
True! What's interesting about that is because of Windows power*shell*, more MS system folks at least have a clue about that :D ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Keith C. Perry, MS E.E. Managing Member, DAO Technologies LLC (O) +1.215.525.4165 x2033 (M) +1.215.432.5167 www.daotechnologies.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "JP Vossen" <jp@jpsdomain.org> To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 2:31:12 PM Subject: Re: [PLUG] COBOL again Ha. Thanks! But you forgot "what a shell?" ;-) On 09/26/2018 01:14 PM, Keith C. Perry wrote: > Well more specifically pets *versus* cattle... > > Thanks for the reference too. I first heard it from you, so I've been giving you the credit... > > ...then I plug the bash book... > > "Wait, what's bash?" > > "It's a Linux shell" > > "OH, yea, I've heard of Linux" > > "Great! If you want > to learn more about > working with Linux, > the Bash Cookbook is > a good reference to > have" > > (see, there's a method :D ) > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > Keith C. Perry, MS E.E. > Managing Member, DAO Technologies LLC > (O) +1.215.525.4165 x2033 > (M) +1.215.432.5167 > www.daotechnologies.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JP Vossen" <jp@jpsdomain.org> > To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" <plug@lists.phillylinux.org> > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 1:04:20 PM > Subject: Re: [PLUG] COBOL again > > "Cattle, not pets" wasn't me, I just like it. > https://devops.stackexchange.com/questions/653/what-is-the-definition-of-cattle-not-pets > > On 09/26/2018 12:55 PM, Keith C. Perry wrote: >> Not so random JP... I brought up Walt's point about 2 million **new** lines of COBOL code a year at a conference I gave a talk at last week. >> >> There were some former COBOL folks in the room that smiled. >> >> I also used your "pets and cattle" analogy elsewhere in cloud conversations- that one was very well received :D >> >> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ >> Keith C. Perry, MS E.E. >> Managing Member, DAO Technologies LLC >> (O) +1.215.525.4165 x2033 >> (M) +1.215.432.5167 >> www.daotechnologies.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "JP Vossen" <jp@jpsdomain.org> >> To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" <plug@lists.phillylinux.org> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 5:09:52 PM >> Subject: [PLUG] COBOL again >> >> We've talked about this a few times, especially after one of Walt's >> COBOL talks: >> https://developers.slashdot.org/story/18/09/25/1759250/do-you-know-cobol-if-so-there-might-be-a-job-for-you >> >> I just started wondering about this though, just because the language is >> Cobol doesn't mean modern techniques can't be used. Can you do this >> remote? Is the code in Git? Can there be unit tests, CI, and all of >> that good stuff? COBOL linters? >> >> Wow: >> * https://github.com/tollofsen/linter-cobc >> * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tools_for_static_code_analysis >> >> What Cobol is even used? The Mint repos have "Open COBOL" but that >> "translates COBOL into C and compiles the translated code using GCC" >> which feels like cheating. Presumably production is IBM COBOL or >> related, so I wonder how close the two are. I'm gonna go out on a limb >> and say that a Linux test/dev system would be a tad cheaper than a >> Z-series... >> >> Huh, it doesn't seem like there are a lot of options: >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compilers#COBOL_compilers >> >> There are lots of books on Amazon (including, seriously, _COBOL for >> Dummies_) but many seem out of print or insanely expensive (or both). >> >> Has anyone done this or checked the job boards for COBOL? Later, JP -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- JP Vossen, CISSP | http://www.jpsdomain.org/ | http://bashcookbook.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug