Joe Rosato via plug on 29 Apr 2020 03:24:56 -0700

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Re: [PLUG] download from WHERE?

Like Keith I distrust them. 

I will bet money that the subsystem will begin to take control away from Linux, in some way yet to be revealed, so that you can pay Microsoft for that service. I don't care how fast it becomes (we are in the extend phase of EEE), in short the answer is in the name - subsystem - to be placed lower in the hierarchy. 

Also like Keith if I need to run a win node, I virtualize it in Linux. Not as KVM savey so I use virtualbox, which might have only happened since my brain could never let go of "keyboard, video and mouse" :-)

If you want to have a laugh, go look at what is being done to containerize windows. Windows married graphics to their OS in many ways and the process ain't going well. Things that stick out - you need to have an external domain box (which adds a dependancy) to solve AD issues related to speed and some things need to send "pictures" of the screen back since some things ain't got no terminal representation. Good thing .Net can runs on Linux!


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 11:38 PM PaulNM via plug <> wrote:
On 4/28/20 21:22, K.S. Bhaskar via plug wrote:
> For what it's worth, in the experience of one of our developers, you get
> better performance running Lubuntu in Virtual Box on Windows 10 than
> “natively” on WSL. Maybe that will change…
> I'll stick with Linux running directly on bare metal.
> Regards
> – Bhaskar

WSL 1 is mind boggling slow, ESPECIALLY when it comes to disk access.
Updates on a basic Ubuntu instance (no gui, just a couple of small
utilities installed on top of the base WSL image) take an absurdly long

Reason being 2 main factors. Windows disk access tends to be slow and
wonky compared to native Linux. (Or anything else really.) So anything
that has to go through Windows has to deal with that. The other issue is
that WSL 1 isn't virtualization, it's really more of an emulation layer.
It's not even technically Linux as no Linux kernel code is running. The
emulation layer, which isn't even 100% complete, adds a fair amount of

WSL 2 is due to hit mainstream with the next release of Win 10 (2004).
That's a different animal altogether. That will be running an actual,
upgradable copy of the Linux kernel, with full system call
compatibility. It is in fact, full virtualization, you need computer
hardware capable of running Hyper-V. You can even install and run stuff
like the Linux version of Docker and FUSE. Third party benchmarks show
pretty impressive speed gains in 2 over 1, some that even come close to
a bare metal install in terms of speed.

I still prefer bare metal installs, but this is a pretty good way to
actually be able to get stuff done in Windows, especially if you're
required to do so.

-- PaulNM

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