Michael W. Ryan on Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:50:34 -0500 (EST)


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Re: [Plug] MSIE for UNIX/other client that can do SPA


On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, M. Simons wrote:

> Yes, I noticed a 'for unix' selection when I went to download my recent
> version of IE5 for my (gasp, choke) Windows box.

Just a side note:  this is part of that "professionalism" thing.

> I don't know if it works
> under linux, but, I doubt it.  Even with the attitude towards Microsoft in
> the community, I would assume that if there was a way to get it to work,
> someone would have done so and spread the news already.

Could be the almost pathological aversion that the vocal portion of the
Linux community exhibits about anything having to do with Microsoft?

> Now, why
> Microsoft doesn't port it themselves, I don't know. It would be a wise
> move, oh, wait.. that is why they haven't done it yet.  8)

It could be for a number of reasons.  First, Microsoft probably doesn't
view Linux as an enterprise-ready OS and, therefore, doesn't consider it
worth the time/effort.  Second, it could also be the abject hatred that
the vocal portion of the Linux community tends express with regards to
Microsoft.

> > I've tried using Communicator under Windows (I can't replace the
> > winmodem for a bit yet due to money concerns),
> > but it failed.
> 
> There is no reason that you shouldn't be able to use Netscape.. although
> it would both be an incredibly smart move and an incredibly dumb move on
> their part to make it so that you can't use Netscape on MSN.  Just what
> 'failed'?  [okay, so this discussion is really off-topic for the list.]

It could very well be that MSN uses a large amount of DHTML in the pages.
Netscape's support for DHTML is woefully inadequate (and before you wave
the standards flag, DHTML and the DOM are submitted for standards
approval, whereas I believe the <LAYER> tag has been shot down numerous
times by the W3C).  If you need to do any kind of serious DHTML, you need
to work towards an IE4/IE5 platform.

> > I did a little snooping and noticed that Outlook Express has
> > an option for Secure Password Authentication, which I'm assuming is a
> > proprietary (! -- geez, big surprise there) protocol for authenticating
> > yourself to the SMTP server.
> 
> Well I'm not too familiar with this, but I don't think that this is any
> sort of proprietary protocol.  I would guess you could use Eudora, or any
> other SMTP mail agent. 

I think this is correct.  I haven't had alot of luck, but there are some
people I can ask.

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