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Re: [PLUG] PLUG Website Maintenence
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The reason I am responding to myself is because alot of the subsequent
responses seem to have missed the point of the original post. I'll add a
little here for more clarification:
1) The existing demo site is just that: a demo. In fact, in a previous post,
I mentioned that I am considering Zope (not the existing PHPNuke or
PostNuke). The existing demo site does NOT look good in lynx, therefore I am
abandoning it as an option.
2) Several people have agreed that the existing site could be organized
better. I also think that we could attract more members with a better
organized site. I am NOT advocating a "whiz-bang-flash-javascript for show"
site. IF we use javascript, it will be for functionality. BUT non-javascript
browsers will still have access to the same functionality, just differently.
The javascript will be used just to make things easier for people who WISH
to allow it. I did not recommend a Slashdot look.
3) I did not realize that "doing external searches to get information on a
site because the information was not easy to find on the site" was
considered a good thing.
4) The only people who will need logins to the site are the administrators,
if we use a CMS.
5) If you are concerned about time and effort, don't be. Unless of course
you will be a maintainer.
6) As far as proving why it should change, what does that mean? How can you
prove that (other than the fact that come people on the list seem to think a
reorg is a good idea)? Does not my opinion count? Or the opinion of others?
7) Now, if the group as a majority feel that the site should not be a
primary information source, then of course everything I bring up is not
valid. We'll just update the meeting pages, and "google search" our way
through the site. Until I found out that there was a LUG in the area, I was
considering building a sort of "localized Linux info portal" anyway. I'll
just go that route, and put a link on my site to the official PLUG site.
8) Please, I am not out to start a religious war. That's what Slashdot is
for :).
So, let us put this puppy to bed:
Those in favor of a redesign, respond with a subject line of: YES - REDESIGN
(forget the how for now).
Those who think that the sight should just stay the way it is, on the
subject line: NO - REDESIGN.
Oh, and don't use multiple emails to stuff the box, please ;)
Iman Mayes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Iman Mayes" <imayes@verizon.net>
To: <plug@lists.phillylinux.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [PLUG] PLUG Website Maintenence
> Ok,
>
> The horse is still twitching a little, so I'll get my stick and recap on
> what we agree on so far :)
>
> 1) The site should be HTML standards compliant, valid, etc.
> 2) It should work in a variety of standards compliant browsers, including
> text base
> 3) All Links should work
> 4) Adding new, useful functionality that does not break 1,2 or 3 is OK
>
> Pretty simple.
>
> Now, here are the problems I have with the existing site:
>
> 1) The Home Page - When I first went to the home page to get info about
the
> group, I had to pause a little bit. I expected a brief intro about the
> group, but got a list of mixed items that all ran together. At the top,
> there are "Upcoming Meetings", list info and guidelines, PLUG howto
Archive
> (Was this a howto about the group? Howtos done by the group? *click* Whoa!
> New site, different look), Members, etc...Internet Service Providers...OK,
> more about the group...History...PA State Poilice Computer Crimes, more
> about group...etc. Could be organized better. For example:
>
> - PLUG Group Intro
> - PLUG Section (members, etc)
> - Events (Meetings, other computer events, etc)
> - Other LUG's
> - etc
>
> somehow separated into sections that are easy to follow. Does *not* have
to
> be fancy though.
>
> 2) New Information - Typically, having some reference to updates to the
site
> on the home page IMHO is a good idea. That way, as a returning viewer, I
> don't have to troll through the whole site checking the last update date,
> and then staring at the page to see if I can tell whats new. Maybe, other
> than the meetings, the site does not get updated that much. But, when it
> does how can you tell within a short period of time?
>
> 3) There is also some info on the sight that probably could be taken off,
> like alternate meeting locations that will most likely not be used (i.e.,
> the ones that cost money).
>
> Yes, these sorts of things take time, but I think thats where a good CMS
and
> good maintainers will come in handy. As far as keeping things as simple as
> possible while meeting the above critera, I'm currently leaning towards
Zope
> (just my 2 cents).
>
> As a side note, maybe its me, but I can't get to the archives on the
mailing
> list site. Both the "Subscribe" and "Archive" links take me to the
subscribe
> page. The nOOb would like to checkout what was missed!
>
> Iman Mayes
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "multiple seriousity" <msimons@slackware.com>
> To: <plug@lists.phillylinux.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 1:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [PLUG] PLUG Website Maintenence
>
>
> > > The reason I am confusing you is because I am responding to Gabriel
> > > Rosenkoetter's post, not directly to yours. I should include what I am
> > > responding to in my response.
> >
> > Yes, I realize that you were responding to someone else's post, and not
> > mine. That is how a thread works. :P
> >
> > No apologies neccessary nor do you need to quote (too much).
> >
> > In my response to #2, referencing #4 I was just confused by your logic
in
> > the sentence of #4:
> > > > > 4) The current format does look great in text browsers, which is
why
> I
> > > feelthat if there is a new site it should still work fine in in that
> case.
> >
> > If there is a new site, why would it (neccessarily) "still work fine"? I
> > guess this implies using the old site for a text version. (which is what
I
> > was making a point against doing..)
> >
> > In talking about #3, I was just wondering why you were bringing up the
> > mailing list being a mailing list, and also pointed out that we do
indeed
> > have a searchable mailing list, which you were mentioning (could be
added
> > functionality of a website.) as I said.. I knew that you were responding
> > to someone else as I said "I assume someone said something you are
> > responding to here."
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