| Jeff Abrahamson on Sat, 28 Jun 2003 21:21:09 -0400 |
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On Sat, Jun 28, 2003 at 02:50:52PM -0400, Stephen Gran wrote:
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> On Fri, Jun 27, 2003 at 09:29:08PM -0400, Jeff Abrahamson said:
> > On Fri, Jun 27, 2003 at 07:45:46PM -0400, Will Dyson wrote:
> > >
> > > What version of X is currently in testing? Does X only get hosed when
> > > running gnome-session?
> >
> > More info, it's gnome that's dying, not X. If I remove all of my
> > ~/.gnome* stuff, I can come up with sawfish but not gnome
> > panel. Sucks, but usable.
> >
> > There's an error message about some OAF stuff, preferences something
> > restarting too many times, sorry, it's gone now, didn't write it
> > down. Poking about more on google while I still had it in myead, I
> > managed to find something about this having to do with
> > gnome-control-center (which I'm running).
> >
> > I'm temporarily assuming that this is a gnome bug that will be fixed
> > in the next few days.
>
> It sounds like incompatible versions of different pieces are present -
> try `COLUMNS=150 dpkg -l gnome* | grep ii | $PAGER` and take a look at
> the output. If there are substantial pieces of the GNOME system that
> are still at 1.4 (like gnome-session, gnome-panel, whatever) it simply
> won't work for now.
Yup, you are so right:
ii gnome-audio 1.4.0-5 Audio files for Gnome
ii gnome-bin 1.4.2-13 Miscellaneous binaries used by GNOME
ii gnome-common 1.2.4-3 common scripts and macros to develop
with GNOME or GNOME 2.0
ii gnome-control-center 1.4.0.5-3 The Gnome Control Center
ii gnome-desktop-data 2.2.2-1 Common files for GNOME 2 desktop apps
ii gnome-dev-doc 1.4.2-13 GNOME developers documentation
ii gnome-games-locale 1.4.0.4-1 The locale databases for the gnome-games packages.
ii gnome-help-data 1.4.2-1 GNOME help browser data
ii gnome-libs-data 1.4.2-13 Data for GNOME libraries
ii gnome-mime-data 2.3.0-1 base MIME and Application database for GNOME.
ii gnome-session 2.2.2-2 The GNOME 2 Session Manager
ii gnome-terminal 1.4.0.6-5 The Gnome terminal emulator application
> has screwed things up. Looks like you got bitten by this, Jeff.
I usually look at what's being removed and refuse to upgrade if I
don't like it. But this time I missed it, or must have thought it was
just package rearrangement. Oops.
Weeks like this I figure I should just run stable. At least I was able
to bring up X and sawfish ok.
BTW, thanks, Will, for the link to the debian-user discussion.
> sorts things out. That being said, I am not that happy with GNOME 2.x
> for a variety of reasons, and I have been poking around trying a variety
> of Window Managers/Session MAnagers to try and replace the functionality
> that I had in GNOME 1.4.
What do you miss? I've heard complaints like this, but no specifics.
Incidentally, I was talking to Keith Packard (long-time X developer) a
couple weeks ago, who had recently written this nifty tool for
analyzing X packets. He said he'd used it to figure out why mozilla
and nautilus were so slow at points. He'd forwarded the info to the
respective development groups, and said the appropriate changes looked
to be in cvs as of rather recently. I wonder if this will finally make
these tools (especially nautilus) really snappy.
--
Jeff
Jeff Abrahamson <http://www.purple.com/jeff/>
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