M.Simons on Sat, 12 Jul 2003 17:31:20 -0400 |
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Jason wrote: > Have we heard from the guy who goes by "multiple seriousity"? Isn't this what > he does a good portion of his time. I'm sure he has some valuable input. If I've been off struggling with my own hardware, (and distribution) problems.. [And, they're still not totally solved.] I've also.. been staying away from this conversation because it seems to have very active legs of it's own. I _could_ and have thought about posting a contribution to the conversation, but while I have read many of the messages, I really haven't followed the thread(s) in sequence, or with much brainpower on my side. I did notice one post with a lot of good questions, and plenty of other posts with good thoughts, from both ends. It is very important to play devil's advocate when contomplating the plan for something like this. A lot of work (and thought) has also been done on this subject already, by other organizations and people thinking about, and doing the same thing. So it helps, too, to look at their analysis, do research (sorry, no urls at this time.) Off the top of my head, some thoughts, questions, babble, etc.: Where exactly is this again? I know he said something about some chester school district.. I have previously heard stuff in another conversation about how there is a chester county, and a chester, and one is not actually in the other or something like that. Either way, where exactly is this underserved region/school district? What sort of resources are in that area already? What other organizations exist? Is there a LUG there? a computer users group of any type? Where is teamchildren or other organizations in relation to where this is? A community technology center? Where are plug members in relation to this place? Are people willing to travel to this place? Uhm, okay, hardware.. hardware is a big issue.. or rather the issue should be tools. . one needs to figure out "what do we want these tools we offer them to be able to do?" Word Proccessing, getting online to surf and learn, basic computer skills.. one needs to spell that out, and figure out in this day and age (and as one goes along), what the minimum system requirements are to do whatever that is defined to be. One also needs to contomplate the whole issue of upgrades, age of computers / the issue of 'dumping' old computers on the underprivlidged. Motivation.. I've seen some things Jon has said.. but I'm not entirely sure what sparked this initial project interest.. Is this a requirement of the job? Did you go and get arrested for jaywalking and then sentenced to community service? :D Are you just bored with plenty of time and decided to do something good? Did you talk to someone (say, maybe someone who works at teamchildren) and they sold you with a fever pitch on the idea? Do you have kids in this school district? What is it? Then there are all sorts of other questions about future support, where do people learn about these computers, what are the issues with security vulnerabilities and upgrades, etc. There was a whole host of questions I had thought about when I contomplated what happens when Jon "Q. Public Goodcitizen" Nelson has to become Jon "State Trooper" Nelson to call upon Little JimmyJoe and his family because their box was hacked and is being used to dump spam, DDoS attack bigcorp.mil.gov, etc. Personally, I passed on a paying (EASY) software install job for a friend of the family because I knew he would probably in the future be calling me for support (where else would he turn?) and I didn't want to be bothered by that. Support structure is a big issue. In other words, resources are a big deal. I would also say, that yes, forming a non-profit is a big deal and a lot of issues. . being a project of a prexisting nonprofit is a possibility, but it depends upon what one wants to do and what amount of work one is willing to undertake. After the questions are answered regarding location, what other resources already exist, etc. . I would probably go towards filling in the gaps, if they exist.. net-daying the schools (for those that are not familiar with net-day, it is basically volunteers and contributors going into schools to wire them for network access), and if there doesn't exist one, I would make a community technology center, probably with a hardware-workshop/recovery component. Thus you build the infrastructure towards educating and creating the resources that people can tap. As part of the hardware recovery operation, you bring kids (actually, whole families) in to learn about how a computer works, the components, how to fix them, how to put them together, how to load software, etc. . and then they get to keep the computer at the end.. it's a giving them a fish, vs. teaching them to fish thing. -- msimons@slackware.com INFORMATION*MEDIA*PHOTOGRAPHY msimonsmail@yahoo.com Creative Arts Resource Project : PTMaterials Exchange : www.pleasetake.org A 501(c)3 Non-profit Organization Arts and Environmental Resource Network Shopping Online? Use http://www.igive.com/carp/ make donations at no cost! Do you like what I do? Consider donating resources to CARP; Ask me how! _________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.netisland.net/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.netisland.net/mailman/listinfo/plug
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