Re: [PLUG] DSL has arrived!

["William H. Magill" <magill@mcgillsociety.org>]

On Friday, August 22, 2003, at 09:46 AM, Doug Crompton wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, William H. Magill wrote:
> > DANGER -- Do not do this unless Cavalier also offers RDSL in your
> > area!!!!
> >
> > Because Cavalier is a CLEC, if you switch your voice service to them,
> > Verizon can / will no longer provide you with DSL service.
> >
> > As the saying goes ... been there, done that...
>
> I am now Verizon voice. I am planning on going to SpeakEasy DSL. They 
> use
> Covad. Would using Cavalier voice be a problem in that case? Verizon 
> would
> be out of the picture all together except for the fact they lease 
> lines to
> the other carriers. I think I need to call Cavalier and see what they
> offer in DSL.

As long as Speakeasy and Covad use a differnt phone line (i.e. copper 
pair) than your voice service, no problems (other than normal.)

I believe there are only three different scenarios.

1- Verizon provides you voice and DSL; Verizon as ISP
2- Verizon provides you voice and Covad provides you DSL; anybody but 
Verizon ISP
2a- 1- Verizon provides you voice and DSL; anybody but Verizon as ISP
3- A CLEC provides you voice and DSL

Case one is the "default." You get everything from Verizon.

In case 2, normally your ISP will contract with Covad, who will 
contract with Verizon.
I believe that Covad prefers to use a "dry pair" to run their DSL over. 
Meaning they will have Verizon install a non-dialtone line to your 
house, and then install Covad DSL
modems on that line. I do not know if Covad will provide new DSL 
service over your existing Verizon phone line any longer. Note that 
there is a difference between services offered today, and those offered 
as recently as about 18 months ago... at least I think it was 1 April 
of 2002, but it might have been 1 April 2001, when Verizon changed a 
lot of contractual things with their "DSL partners." Covad also 
radically changed its relationships with RBOCs as part of its 
bankruptcy reorganization in December 2001.

In case 2a, the ISP "simply" contracts with Verizon directly for DSL 
service.

In case 3, the "last mile" is "deeded" over to the CLEC. Verizon no 
longer has any control over that line, because they no longer "own" it. 
It becomes the CLEC's complete responsibility. The CLEC must contract 
with Verizon to physically service that "last mile" but the CO 
connection is direct to CLEC equipment and not via Verizon equipment.

This is why, if you have existing DSL service over your voice service, 
switching to a CLEC, will kill your DSL service.


T.T.F.N.
William H. Magill
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