Cliff Moon on 19 Sep 2007 01:06:37 -0000


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Re: [PhillyOnRails] Ruby-Presenters and Non-ruby presenters?


Check out therailsway.com.  The core rails team goes through Q&A on that
site, and they're really great at explaining how to solve a lot of the
common problems and hangups people have with rails.

Brian Donahue wrote:
> Thanks, Cliff.  I'll definitely download those and take a look. 
>
> I still would greatly value seeing a practical example from scratch. 
> It's a great learning experience to  watch how someone else approaches
> a problem.  For example, if anyone out there is still stuck in Java/C#
> land, check out some of JP Boodhoo's screencasts on his blog or on
> DNRTV (yes, that stands for "Dot Net Rocks TV" - how's that for team
> spirit!?)  He takes a simple user story, and implements it while
> demonstrating TDD, DDD, and/or design patterns (he has a bunch of
> screencasts).  All very well done, and I found myself absorbing a lot
> more when watching him code something up from scratch.
>
> www.jpboodhoo.com <http://www.jpboodhoo.com>
> www.dnrtv.com <http://www.dnrtv.com>
>
>
>
> On 9/18/07, *Cliff Moon* < cliff@moonpolysoft.com
> <mailto:cliff@moonpolysoft.com>> wrote:
>
>     The link was posted on this list a while ago, but you should check
>     out
>     the Joyent connector and slingshot apps.  They're big, non trivial
>     apps
>     done in rails.
>
>     http://joyeur.com/2007/07/13/connector-and-slingshot-open-sourced-and-free
>     <http://joyeur.com/2007/07/13/connector-and-slingshot-open-sourced-and-free>
>
>     Brian Donahue wrote:
>     > Expanding on the TDD topic, if I may boldly suggest work for others
>     > :)  The biggest obstacle for me in really digging into Rails is
>     that I
>     > come from a Java (long ago) and C# (now) background and have been
>     > influenced by the "Double-Ds:"  Domain Driven Design, Behavior
>     Driven
>     > Design, and Test Driven Design/Development.  I have a pretty good
>     > understanding of how to apply these approaches in my familiar
>     strongly
>     > typed, compiled languages, but when I sit down with Rails I get
>     mired
>     > in the ActiveRecord and Controller implementations and feel like I
>     > start to write very procedural, unpretty code.   I would like to
>     see a
>     > real-world "enterprisey" (by that I just mean that it has more
>     complex
>     > logic than a blog or some such) examples that show how the various
>     > layers, especially domain models/logic, are abstracted (or not)
>     and why.
>     >
>     > Perhaps that can be boiled down to this:  I don't usually want my
>     > business objects coupled tightly to my DB tables a la Active Record,
>     > and I'm not sure if that is a good habit, that I can continue in
>     > Rails, or if it's just that I haven't grokked a different/better
>     > approach using Rails.
>     >
>     >
>     > On 9/18/07, *Mat Schaffer* <schapht@gmail.com
>     <mailto:schapht@gmail.com>
>     > <mailto:schapht@gmail.com <mailto:schapht@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >     Wow... Are we gonna need a vote to narrow it down to two
>     next month?
>     >     -Mat
>     >
>     >     On Sep 18, 2007, at 3:43 PM, Aaron Mulder wrote:
>     >
>     >     > For any future meeting, I'm willing to do a presentation on
>     >     > Login/Authentication, touching on plugins, which would be
>     >     > beginner-ish.
>     >     >
>     >     > Thanks,
>     >     >       Aaron
>     >     >
>     >     > On 9/18/07, Mat Schaffer <schapht@gmail.com
>     <mailto:schapht@gmail.com>
>     >     <mailto:schapht@gmail.com <mailto:schapht@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>     >     >> First, awesome PubNite last night!  Glad everyone came
>     out and
>     >     I hope
>     >     >> everyone had as good a time as I did.
>     >     >>
>     >     >> Second, it's about time to round up presenters for
>     October.  Anyone
>     >     >> interested?  I'm considering doing an introductory level TDD
>     >     >> presentation (TDD basics, Test::Unit tricks, Rails
>     integration
>     >     >> tests), so let me know if anyone's interested in that.
>     >     >>
>     >     >> Also, I got a note from the PHP Meetup group awhile back
>     asking
>     >     about
>     >     >> cross-presenting.  Anyone interested in a PHP framework
>     (Symfony,
>     >     >> CodeIgniter, Zend Framework) presentation as one of the
>     october
>     >     >> presentations?
>     >     >>
>     >     >> Thanks all,
>     >     >> Mat
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