Eric Hidle on 18 Feb 2009 13:11:18 -0800


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Re: [PLUG] Verizon FiOS?

I don't see why it would be using NAT tables in bridged mode.

The ActionTec (yes, I already took it apart) uses a Micrel 8995 Ethernet Switch which can be configured either for gateway topologies or bridged switching topologies. I can only assume that in bridging mode, it simply pulls the CPU out of the insertion point between the MAC and the PHY on the 5th port.

So, in bridged mode, the only thing in the way is the 8995 Switch, which has a 1K unicast table, which is really plenty given it will only ever have the MACs for the home boxes and the upstream router in it.

Anyhoo, he's almost done, so hopefully I'll be able to get it set up shortly. Although, I'm enjoying connection through my cell phone at the moment since it's actually faster than Comcast has been lately.

Heh...


On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Joe Terranova <joeterranova@gmail.com> wrote:
I have friends that have done that. Even if you bridge it, you're
crippled by the actiontek's 4K nat addressing table.

FiOS installed with the ActionTek. 7 people + P2P = hosed.
FiOS installed with the ActionTek, bridged. A little bit better, but
still crippling slow.
Then they ran the ethernet* themselves, and called Verizon to switch
internet to the ethernet port. No problems since.

Maybe their setup for bridging than what my friend used. It may work for you.

Does bridging still give you the ability to network set top boxes? If
you have FiOS TV as well, your set top boxes need to connect to the
router through coaxial to get on demand and the guide.

*any references to ethernet in this post refer to CAT 5 (or CAT 6)
twisted pair wire, or the clearly labeled ethernet port on the
actiontek router. I am not referring to the ethernet protocol running
over coaxial, fiber, or old shoes laces.


On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Eric Hidle <eric.hidle@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yay, there is a workaround. Apparently it is possible to turn the Actiontec
> router they give you into a bridge, and I found some very detailed
> step-by-step instructions on how to do it at broadbandreports.com
>
> http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/r17679150-Howto-make-ActionTec-MI424WR-a-network-bridge
>
> This will allow my router to grab the external IP address from Verizon
> instead of having to double-NAT through them.
>
> Gotta love google.
> E
>
> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Steve Morgan <stevem.firefly@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I talked to three different techs the day I got mine switched over.
>> The first two told me different things.  The third just happened to be
>> personally curious if it would work so he walked over to the techs
>> with the real power, made the setting, rebooted my ONT, and viola!
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steve Morgan
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Eric Hidle <eric.hidle@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I did that, and two separate technicians said on no uncertain terms that
>> > the
>> > ONT will not support what we are talking about here.
>> >
>> > This is maddening... They want $150 to run the Ethernet with the Coax...
>> > and
>> > I'm not going to take that kind of risk on something they are telling me
>> > is
>> > not possible...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Steve Morgan <stevem.firefly@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> You need to tell them you only want Internet on Ethernet, not both.
>> >> They may be confused with your question.  Word it properly so that
>> >> they get the idea of what you want to do.  Coax will remain for TV,
>> >> but you want the internet on the Ethernet only, not through the Coax
>> >> or both.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Steve Morgan
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Eric Hidle <eric.hidle@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Verizon tech support is telling me they can't enable both the coax
>> >> > and
>> >> > the
>> >> > Ethernet on the ONT...
>> >> >
>> >> > Jeez, this is ridiculous... 10 different answers from 10 different Vz
>> >> > people..
>> >> >
>> >> > Any more ideas before I tell the installer to abort?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Steve Morgan
>> >> > <stevem.firefly@gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You will have to call Verizon FIOS tech support and have them switch
>> >> >> you over to Ethernet at another time.  The installer is lying or
>> >> >> just
>> >> >> fell asleep during that portion of the training.  I had mine
>> >> >> switched
>> >> >> just fine.  The router can grab internet connectivity from the
>> >> >> Ethernet port (assuming of course the router he is giving you has a
>> >> >> WAN Ethernet port).
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Steve Morgan
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Eric Hidle <eric.hidle@gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > The installer is here now and he is telling me I cannot get direct
>> >> >> > Ethernet
>> >> >> > access. I must use their router, which does the first level of NAT
>> >> >> > for
>> >> >> > me.
>> >> >> > He says I cannot get Internet over the Ethernet port.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Why all the conflicting stories? Who do I have to call to get this
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > work
>> >> >> > the way I want it to?
>> >> >> > E
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Bill East <wm.east@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Joe Terranova
>> >> >> >> <joeterranova@gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >  I would hope that others on this list could speak up about
>> >> >> >> > port
>> >> >> >> >> blocking as I am quite curious myself but have yet to perform
>> >> >> >> >> any
>> >> >> >> >> real
>> >> >> >> >> testing.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Port 80 is definitely blocked. I have not tried 25.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> 25 out is blocked, you have to route through Verizon's server
>> >> >> >> using
>> >> >> >> 587 and TLS. I have not had issues with this.
>> >> >> >>
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