Lee Marzke on 13 Nov 2009 10:37:46 -0800 |
Mike Sheinberg wrote: > Just wanted to expand on my group question to get some feedback of > whether anyone has used any other VM solutions that do not utilize > Windows in any way? I just noticed that Red Hat released a platform > and oddly enough you still need a Windows client to access the > management console (yeah, bizarre I know. > <http://www.redhat.com/virtualization/rhev/server/>). After digging > around I came across the ConVirt <http://www.convirture.com/> > management platform which manages KVM/Xen hosts and best part is the > management console can be used from a Linux client. Does anyone have > any production experience with such a setup? Everyone seems to have > some experience with VMWare's platform but I have heard very little > discussion from others regarding the production ready viability of > other platforms. Which is understandable if they are not at this time, > I'm just interested :) I don't know the details, but Eucalyptus just announced integration with Vsphere /ESXi 4 and Amazon AMI. So theoretically you can burst ( cloudburst ? ) your existing Vsphere VM's to Amazon if you need more capacity. Eucalyptus is avaiable on Ubuntu 9.10 server CD's at install time. I believe the Vmware integration is not Opensource, only Xen and KVM parts. This is much more complicated than what your looking for , however. Lee > > Thanks! > Mike > > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Mike Sheinberg <m.sheiny@gmail.com > <mailto:m.sheiny@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Lee, > > Thanks for your insight into the caveats of working with > ghettoVCB. It sounds like from the way they've locked down the > ESXi server that I won't get a free reliable backup solution > without some serious hacking. I'm still concerned with pitching > the costs of > this to management but honestly the risk of not getting consistent > backups utilizing our current VMWare Server is not good. > > From my end it also kinda sucks the level of Microsoft we have to > deploy in order to get ESX running. Do you know if there are any > performance concerns from utilizing the free SQL Express for VCenter? > > Does anyone also have any experience with getting a relatively > inexpensive solution going with other Virtualization tech (such as > KVM, Citrix, etc.) ? From past experience VMWare has been a really > great platform but I'd like to weigh all my options when making > the pitch for our VM infrastructure. > > Thanks again for your feedback Lee, I'm already glad I signed up > for this group :) > > -Mike > > > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Lee Marzke <lee@marzke.net > <mailto:lee@marzke.net>> wrote: > > Mike Sheinberg wrote: > > Anyone have any experience configuring (free) backups with > ESXi 4? > > Currently I'm working for a company utilizing VMWare Server > which > > really lacks a lot of the great features/performance I've > seen in > > previous ESX versions (3.5). Many VMware users on forums > recommend the > > 'ghettoVCB' script (following > > http://communities.vmware.com/docs/DOC-8760). Anyone have any > > experience with this method or have any other suggestions > for do it > > yourself ESXi backups? > > > > Thanks! > > Mike > > > Mike, > > I was forced to use Vmware server for a year until I got > funding for > VCenter/ESXi on 2 new DL-360 G5 > hosts and a SAN. > > The tradeoff, is that VCenter provides better use of RAM, VM > Templates, > thin provisioned disk that > don't severely fragment the NFTS file system, and of course with > Enterprise edition you get Vmotion > and Storage Vmotion that allow you to move the machine to a > new host, or > move the storage to > a new volume without shutting it down. > > Since a VM move/copy may take 2 to 6 hours or more, the > Storage Vmotion > feature will save a lot > of downtime, as you can do that while the machine is running > under light > load. > > For backup on Vmware Server I have some scripts that automate the > shutdown, copy, zip, and restart > of the VM. However in practice ( with 4 hosts and 12 VM's ) > I found > that one or more scripts/backups > failed every day. The VM's were down for 3 or 4 hours each > for the > copy, and we had to stagger > the copies. A single backup would also tie up the Vmware > Server host's > SATA disk so much that the > other VM's would be unresponsive. If you want these scripts > let me > know off-line. > > So basically this strategy with moderate size VM ( 10 to 40G > each ) just > didn't work in practice. > > If you try to do the same using ghettoVCB I imaging the > problems would > be similar. Also just getting a > command line prompt on ESXi voids your warrentee and support. > On top of > that, standard tools are not > available ( only busybox ) and important files ( even crontab > ) are > overwritten at each boot - so anything > you configure is wiped out on reboot. > > Yes, I've run some commands from ESXi command line, but for > instance > the ghettoVCB script is > mostly parsing text configuration files, and running commands > > Sample portion of ghettoVCB: > > for VM_NAME in `cat "${VM_INPUT}" | sed '/^$/d' | sed -e > 's/^[[:blank:]]*//;s/[[:blank:]]*$//'`; > do > VM_ID=`grep -E "\"${VM_NAME}\"" /tmp/vms_list | awk -F ";" > '{print $1}' | sed 's/"//g'` > > This depends on the config file text format of that version of > ESX, and > overall is a very fragile way > of controlling ESX. I think you would have just as many > problems with > this script > ( and indeed the comments on the forums agree ) > > If your running development or production on these machines, > you really > should invest in VCenter > for all the advantages above. > > If you get the VMware Essentials Plus package, it includes a > supported > "Disaster Recovery" program > that will do what you want. This includes VCenter, gives you > template support, and the DR program > for something like $2995 ( for up to 3 hosts with 2 CPU's each > , and a > free copy of Vsphere Essentials > server, and the DR program ) > > http://www.vmware.com/products/vsphere/buy/editions_comparison.html > http://www.vmware.com/products/vsphere/buy/overview.html > > So spending a week setting up ghettoVCB, and then futzing with > it, will > already cost > more than buying Essentials Plus. Plus you will have > template support > to help manage > your VM rollouts. > > Also, I found that generally if you present the options to > management > with costs and reliability explained it is > usually possible to get funding, because it just make sense, > while > spending a week of your time to > get an unreliable solution does not make sense. > > Lee > > -- > "Between subtle shading and the absence of light lies the > nuance of iqlusion..." - Kryptos > > Lee Marzke, lee@marzke.net <mailto:lee@marzke.net> > http://marzke.net/lee/ > IT Consultant, VMware, VCenter, SAN storage, infrastructure, SW CM > +1 800-393-5217 office +1 484-348-2230 fax > +1 610-564-4932 cell sip://8003935217@4aero.com > <mailto:8003935217@4aero.com> VOIP > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- > http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- > http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org > Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce > General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- "Between subtle shading and the absence of light lies the nuance of iqlusion..." - Kryptos Lee Marzke, lee@marzke.net http://marzke.net/lee/ IT Consultant, VMware, VCenter, SAN storage, infrastructure, SW CM +1 800-393-5217 office +1 484-348-2230 fax +1 610-564-4932 cell sip://8003935217@4aero.com VOIP ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
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