Re: [PLUG] COBOL again

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:58 AM, Fred Stluka <fred@bristle.com> wrote:

PLUG folks,

Here's a quick link to tell people what a shell is. I got tired of
explaining it over and over, so I wrote it down in 2001.
- http://bristle.com/Tips/Unix.htm#unix_shells

BTW, even before PowerShell, Windows had 2 different shells.
But most people weren't aware of them. There are called
COMMAND.COM (DOS) and CMD.EXE (Windows). See:
- http://bristle.com/Tips/Unix.htm#dos_redirection_gotchas

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On 9/26/18 2:33 PM, Keith C. Perry wrote:

True! What's interesting about that is because of Windows power*shell*, more MS system folks at least have a clue about that :D

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----- Original Message -----
From: "JP Vossen" <jp@jpsdomain.org>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 2:31:12 PM
Subject: Re: [PLUG] COBOL again

Ha. Thanks!

But you forgot "what a shell?" ;-)

On 09/26/2018 01:14 PM, Keith C. Perry wrote:

Well more specifically pets *versus* cattle...

Thanks for the reference too. I first heard it from you, so I've been giving you the credit...

...then I plug the bash book...

"Wait, what's bash?"

"It's a Linux shell"

"OH, yea, I've heard of Linux"

"Great! If you want
to learn more about
working with Linux,
the Bash Cookbook is
a good reference to
have"

(see, there's a method :D )

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----- Original Message -----
From: "JP Vossen" <jp@jpsdomain.org>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 1:04:20 PM
Subject: Re: [PLUG] COBOL again

"Cattle, not pets" wasn't me, I just like it.
https://devops.stackexchange.com/questions/653/what-is-the-definition-of-cattle-not-pets

On 09/26/2018 12:55 PM, Keith C. Perry wrote:

Not so random JP... I brought up Walt's point about 2 million **new** lines of COBOL code a year at a conference I gave a talk at last week.

There were some former COBOL folks in the room that smiled.

I also used your "pets and cattle" analogy elsewhere in cloud conversations- that one was very well received :D

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----- Original Message -----
From: "JP Vossen" <jp@jpsdomain.org>
To: "Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List" <plug@lists.phillylinux.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 5:09:52 PM
Subject: [PLUG] COBOL again

We've talked about this a few times, especially after one of Walt's
COBOL talks:
https://developers.slashdot.org/story/18/09/25/1759250/do-you-know-cobol-if-so-there-might-be-a-job-for-you

I just started wondering about this though, just because the language is
Cobol doesn't mean modern techniques can't be used. Can you do this
remote? Is the code in Git? Can there be unit tests, CI, and all of
that good stuff? COBOL linters?

Wow:
* https://github.com/tollofsen/linter-cobc
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tools_for_static_code_analysis

What Cobol is even used? The Mint repos have "Open COBOL" but that
"translates COBOL into C and compiles the translated code using GCC"
which feels like cheating. Presumably production is IBM COBOL or
related, so I wonder how close the two are. I'm gonna go out on a limb
and say that a Linux test/dev system would be a tad cheaper than a
Z-series...

Huh, it doesn't seem like there are a lot of options:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compilers#COBOL_compilers

There are lots of books on Amazon (including, seriously, _COBOL for
Dummies_) but many seem out of print or insanely expensive (or both).

Has anyone done this or checked the job boards for COBOL?

Later,
JP
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