Steve Litt via plug on 20 Sep 2019 23:40:14 -0700

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On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 22:54:36 -0400
prushik--- via plug <> wrote:

> On September 20, 2019 7:11:57 PM EDT, Steve Litt via plug
> <> wrote:
> >I see nothing ridiculous about it. It's accurate. If you want to use
> >the word "Linux" for short, fine, but Linux is the kernel, and the
> >other stuff is supplied by many others, with a good chunk of it being
> >supplied by the GNU project.  
> Except that before rms, kernel and operating system meant the same
> thing. We only make the distinction now because rms said they were
> different.

Where'd you get that information? I can't disprove it, but I doubt its
veracity. See and note that
MSDOS.SYS was DOS' kernel, first appearing in MSDOS 1.1. Look at to see
that MSDOS 1.1 came out in May 1982. At you can see that the GNU project was
first publicly announced in September 1983, more than a year after DOS
1.1. I can't find references, but I remember hearing about the "VAX
kernel" in the 1980's. The word "kernel" wouldn't exist if it were a 1
to 1 venn diagram match with "OS".

Looking at it another way, how many folks would call a kernel, with
nothing else, as an OS? 

Oh, and when I use BSD, I sure am glad they include ls, cat, grep, sed,
AWK and the like.

> Also, not the gnu components are not that significant anyways, and
> the don't really make up the operating environment like the kernel
> does.

Speak for yourself. Not a day goes by when I don't use cat, ls, AWK,
and less multiple times.  I write whole programs with them. I use bash
every day, and every shellscript I write starts with #!/bin/sh.

> And finally, I really like musl and busybox. And llvm and clang are
> doing pretty good nowadays, the gnu parts have really become
> optional.

GNU can and has been written in musl and various library collections.
Get Void Linux, musl style, and you'll have all those utilities created
with musl.

I don't find it all that painful to acknowledge the value of the GNU
scaffolding in conjunction with the Linux kernel, nor to occasionally
call it "GNU/Linux".


Steve Litt
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