| Keith via plug on 18 Jan 2021 11:52:08 -0800 |
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| Re: [PLUG] car tracking |
But, sure, it is a risk. I'd still argue that your cell phone is a
WAY bigger risk across the board. That thing follows you around
everywhere with a camera, microphone, and network access.
Yes. But I also consider privacy in regards to the phone settings and installed apps as they are offered to me, however futile they may really be.
This made me curious and found Toyota's connected services Privacy policy:
1)Probably the most interesting is that only last location is shared with Toyota's financial subsidiary in the breach of contract: essentially they only care when it's repo time.
2)They will share data with an insurance company only if you purchase insurance through them.
3)Data is retained for up to 20 years, which is a reasonable expected lifespan of a vehicle.
4)It looks like there's an app that consumer can use to gain access to the same vehicle usage and diagnostic data. It's mostly my wife's ride and she would have little interest.
5)Most importantly: there is opt out for at least some of the services and data collection. There is the opportunity to evaluate the tradeoffs and make choices. I'll probably be more conscious about it when it's time to trade in my vehicle.
Interesting thread here... Having decided to purchase my vehicle after my lease this time (which is a GM vehicle but I don't have the full OnStar turned on) I should probably understand this stuff a bit better too.
I would tend to agree that while I very much put "freedom" before security, when it comes to vehicles, the vehicle manufacturers, government and insurance companies have us trapped. Until we can 3-D vehicles or build them like we build our computers it would be full time job to be aware and try to stealthily mitigate tracking or location capabilities. Even if you could do that directly, the indirect capability- toll visual system, CCTV everywhere, etc. would still be able to be able to find the vast majority of the public.
Take as much SERE or evasion training as you want to be a weekend warrior but understand the reality of your life in America. Anonymity doesn't mean what you think it means.
We still need better privacy laws in America but that is a non-technical issue...
As frustrating as that might be, I have this conversation a lot
over the years and a lot more in recent years. It is not worth
losing sleep over. There is a lot you can do to prevent causal
and low tech / low information attaches against yourself. Most of
that is common sense, behavior modification and understanding
human factors. Beyond that... assume a well resourced "opponent"
knows more than you want them too and then figure out how to deal
with that without obsessing over the matter.
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