William H. Magill on 15 Feb 2009 09:19:57 -0800

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Re: [PLUG] Internet Provider Wars, part New

On Feb 14, 2009, at 12:31 PM, zuzu wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Michael C Finn
> <mikefinn@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "jeff" <jeffv@op.net>
>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 3:23 PM
>>> John Von Essen wrote:
>>>> Just a side bar on the whole DTV thing. The people who did the TV  
>>>> Ads
>>>> (FCC?) on it really left out alot of info that the public doesn't  
>>>> know.
>>> Yes, and it makes one wonder why.. perhaps some sort of agenda...?
>>> [follow the money - always]
>>>> 10-3 NBC Sports). When I told a friend about this (who previously  
>>>> was
>>>> against the whole DTV thing) he had no idea about these extra
>>>> channels -
>>> I didn't know either.  Wasn't even going to order a box but just  
>>> did.
>>> I'm a sucker for Discovery/History/Animal Planet/Nat Geo though....
>> I knew about the three WHYY digital channels although I can't get  
>> them due
>> to their weak signal until June, but I didn't know about 10-3; it  
>> wasn't
>> picked up on my TV Tuner that's in my HP Pavilion Elite D5000t.
>> I'm going to have to add that manually now that I know about it.  
>> So, what
>> other additional channels are there that my station scan skipped  
>> over?
> IIRC, _by law_ OTA stations need to have at least 2 channels to
> showcase the benefits of digital television over analog.  Most of them
> have 3, including 1 for weather (WX), and 1 HDTV primary channel.
> Offhand, I know NJN only has 2 because they dropped the Annenberg
> Channel when that went offline (via satellite source) in October 2008.

Hmmm ... I haven't followed any of the "new" DTV legislation/Rules
  (since about 2003),  but back then the basic issue was NOT that the
various stations were REQUIRED to have multiple channels, but rather
  the fact that virtually all of them were in fact NOT willing to  
provide the
HD signal information (bandwidth) which they had petitioned the FCC
for in the first  place and were splitting the bandwidth up into  
sub-channels completely contrary to the original intent of both  
and FCC rule-making.

It was a classic case of "we are NOT required" to provide real HD signal
bandwidth so we can do anything we want with these new channels the
FCC has given us.
... 1080i vs 1080p and all of those "viewers can't see it" arguments.
This point of view was also championed  (rather insidiously) by the  
Hollywood Film folks who still see Digital- HD-TV as a major reason why
their profits are down. (The idea that folks think their product is  
expensive never enters their minds. It's all because of the "Pirates"  
all those folks who violate copyrights and make copies of "their  

This whole DTV thing has been like OSI vs TCP/IP, however there is no  
Source community for the Broadcasting Industry to counter the  
"visionaries" at the FCC.

(WHYY in Philadelphia was one of the leaders in proposing the concept
that it is NOT necessary to broadcast a full HD signal, but to sell  
usage of those
sub-channels for other purposes.) [Note that this sub-channel business  
existed in the FM-radio broadcasting business, virtually since the  
I was running medical sub-carrier broadcasts for WFIL-FM  back in the  
60s when
Annenberg still owned all 3 WFIL stations - am/fm/tv.]

>> Where can I find a list of them?  The media guide software doesn't  
>> mention
>> them just as they didn't mention 12-2 and 12-3; I added them  
>> manually so
>> that they will be present when a signal is strong.

As far as I know, they are not mentioned in any of the guides because  
they are still
considered "experimental" and the stations are NOT required to provide  
anyone with
any information about their existence or content.

William H. Magill
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