edmond rodriguez on 15 Feb 2009 13:07:29 -0800 |
----- Original Message ---- > From: William H. Magill <magill@mcgillsociety.org> > To: Philadelphia Linux User's Group Discussion List <plug@lists.phillylinux.org> > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:19:49 PM > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Internet Provider Wars, part New > > > On Feb 14, 2009, at 12:31 PM, zuzu wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Michael C Finn > > wrote: > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "jeff" > >> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 3:23 PM > >> > >> > >>> John Von Essen wrote: > >>>> Just a side bar on the whole DTV thing. The people who did the TV > >>>> Ads > >>>> (FCC?) on it really left out alot of info that the public doesn't > >>>> know. > >>> > >>> Yes, and it makes one wonder why.. perhaps some sort of agenda...? > >>> > >>> [follow the money - always] > >>> > >>> > >>>> 10-3 NBC Sports). When I told a friend about this (who previously > >>>> was > >>>> against the whole DTV thing) he had no idea about these extra > >>>> channels - > >>> > >>> I didn't know either. Wasn't even going to order a box but just > >>> did. > >>> I'm a sucker for Discovery/History/Animal Planet/Nat Geo though.... > >> > >> I knew about the three WHYY digital channels although I can't get > >> them due > >> to their weak signal until June, but I didn't know about 10-3; it > >> wasn't > >> picked up on my TV Tuner that's in my HP Pavilion Elite D5000t. > >> > >> I'm going to have to add that manually now that I know about it. > >> So, what > >> other additional channels are there that my station scan skipped > >> over? > > > > IIRC, _by law_ OTA stations need to have at least 2 channels to > > showcase the benefits of digital television over analog. Most of them > > have 3, including 1 for weather (WX), and 1 HDTV primary channel. > > Offhand, I know NJN only has 2 because they dropped the Annenberg > > Channel when that went offline (via satellite source) in October 2008. > > Hmmm ... I haven't followed any of the "new" DTV legislation/Rules > (since about 2003), but back then the basic issue was NOT that the > various stations were REQUIRED to have multiple channels, but rather > the fact that virtually all of them were in fact NOT willing to > provide the > HD signal information (bandwidth) which they had petitioned the FCC > for in the first place and were splitting the bandwidth up into > multiple > sub-channels completely contrary to the original intent of both > legislation > and FCC rule-making. > > It was a classic case of "we are NOT required" to provide real HD signal > bandwidth so we can do anything we want with these new channels the > FCC has given us. > ... 1080i vs 1080p and all of those "viewers can't see it" arguments. > This point of view was also championed (rather insidiously) by the > various > Hollywood Film folks who still see Digital- HD-TV as a major reason why > their profits are down. (The idea that folks think their product is > overly > expensive never enters their minds. It's all because of the "Pirates" > and > all those folks who violate copyrights and make copies of "their > stuff.") > > This whole DTV thing has been like OSI vs TCP/IP, however there is no > Open > Source community for the Broadcasting Industry to counter the > Government's > "visionaries" at the FCC. > > (WHYY in Philadelphia was one of the leaders in proposing the concept > that it is NOT necessary to broadcast a full HD signal, but to sell > usage of those > sub-channels for other purposes.) [Note that this sub-channel business > has > existed in the FM-radio broadcasting business, virtually since the > beginning. > I was running medical sub-carrier broadcasts for WFIL-FM back in the > 60s when > Annenberg still owned all 3 WFIL stations - am/fm/tv.] > > > > >> Where can I find a list of them? The media guide software doesn't > >> mention > >> them just as they didn't mention 12-2 and 12-3; I added them > >> manually so > >> that they will be present when a signal is strong. > > As far as I know, they are not mentioned in any of the guides because > they are still > considered "experimental" and the stations are NOT required to provide > anyone with > any information about their existence or content. > > > T.T.F.N. > William H. Magill > # Beige G3 [Rev A motherboard - 300 MHz 768 Meg] OS X 10.2.8 > # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) [800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg] OS X 10.4.11 > # iMac6,1 Core 2 Duo [2.16GHz - 3 GB 667] OS X 10.5.5 > # Mac mini Core Duo [1.66 Ghz - 2 GB 667]OS X 10.5.5 > # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg] Tru64 5.1a > # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-3 (EV6) - 256 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 > # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-A (EV 6.7) - 384 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 > magill@mcgillsociety.org > magill@mac.com > http://homepage.mac.com/magill/ > whmagill@gmail.com > > An earlier reply was offlisted, but I guess this is going a little yet. I'll be short..... http://www.tvguide.com lists most if not all of the sub channels. Do "whats on TV" then set your zip code, and in my case, I click on "Philadelphia area broadcast". Maybe some more of the distant channels don't show up, but between antennaweb.org (at least the base channels) and TV guide, it's mostly there. ___________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.phillylinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
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